skankdelvar Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, chris_b said: No company would put known "bad" products out into the market place, so it's unrealistic to expect that Gibson would. I think it's unrealistic to expect that Gibson wouldn't. Gibson officially stopped selling B-stock in 1985 yet since that date the examples are legion of theoretically 'perfect' guitars with flaws worse than the old factory seconds. Which is why their QC has been derided for years and is the subject of intense speculation since the new lads took over. 8 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: If I was going to do something that people would find obscene and/or disgusting - I'd have the decency to do it in a darkened room, and in private. A nation thanks you. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I don't believe many folks would agree with waste like that. There are starving children in Africa who don't even own a Gibson, etc. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, chris_b said: . . . . or maybe the new management is doing this publicly in order to send out the message that it getting serious about QC and won't tolerate the working practises that the old management thought were appropriate. I think Gibson's assertion that the Firebird X's were unsafe is fundamentally bogus unless Gibson meant that the mere sight of a Firebird X would cause strong men to weep. They were horrid guitars that only someone like @ped would covet. Well, I think it was Ped. I'm happy to be corrected. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 They weren’t flawed or B-stock as the interview made clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartelby Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Didn't the interview also say that the whole process for this was put in place before the new management took over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Jeez, Pete Townsend has really upped his game. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bartelby said: Didn't the interview also say that the whole process for this was put in place before the new management took over? It was carried out under the new management regime. However many of those guitars were made -the third video speculated less than 800 - Gibson intentionally destroyed almost half the number of these guitars in existence as a financial write-off. They had to destroy all the parts and cases too as a result. That’s why they’re strung up, with the tuners, pickups and electronics in place. The whole instrument needed to be destroyed in order to write off the full value. It’s a financial move, pure and simple. They weren’t defective, other than the actual design, and they weren’t unsafe, other than to their tax liability. The cost of this kind of nonsense is absorbed into the price tag of every other Gibson out there, just bear that in mind next time you’re looking at one in a shop. A final point and one which is being overlooked - Gibson finally made a guitar where it seemed to take effort to remove the headstock and they destroyed them. It’s a crazy, crazy world. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 7 hours ago, skankdelvar said: I think Gibson's assertion that the Firebird X's were unsafe is fundamentally bogus unless Gibson meant that the mere sight of a Firebird X would cause strong men to weep. They were horrid guitars that only someone like @ped would covet. Well, I think it was Ped. I'm happy to be corrected. It was ped ☺️ 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 14 hours ago, Woodinblack said: Yeh, just watched that. Pretty sad. Would have loved one of those. The fella narrating this video certainly agrees with the tax writeoff theory and it does the most likely reason. Worst bit of that video is watching the neck stamp on a Pelham blue 335 in the factory demolition. Monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I would actually approve of destructive actions such as these if the 'product' being destroyed was the remaining batch of 'Min-e'tune/G-Force' automatic tuners held in Gibson's inventory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 In fact, this video is very instructive. Eveybody has noticed that a guitar is so strong that it needed several passes over by a 30.000 kilos engine to be slightly reliced. So next time you'll do the sissy about shipping an instrument, watch that video again ! The other fact is that a stock destruction must be assessed, hence the video as paying a legal bailiff would have led Gibson to the final bankruptcy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 9 hours ago, chris_b said: No company would put known "bad" products out into the market place, so it's unrealistic to expect that Gibson would. Really? Never had a Gibson then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I understand, but that's old Gibson thinking, which is why they had to file for Chapter 11 and why the new management is now having to make some difficult and maybe unfathomable decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 One thing is the 'robot' tuners. My brotehr had an LP junior from new with robots. They were never good, and when they automatically removed his g-string during a performance he was not impressed - I mean if you're a Chippendale it would be OK, but... They became so reliably unreliable he was able to record a video of the guitar removing its own strings just in response to being strummed, which he sent to Gibson. In the end he fitted 'normal' tuners and ended up selling it as a standard guitar to part fund his '62 SG junior. He's a utter Gibson devotee but has few illusions about their QC, although he is very pleased with a new LPJ he bought last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Doctor J said: Next video will be the creepy “play authentic” guy driving a Prius over a load of Deans shouting “DO YOU SEE, DEAN? DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUDGE A STRANGER IN THE PASS?!?!?!” I am sure it's English wot you rote but I don't understand a word of it, sorry. WTF is Dean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 hours ago, chris_b said: There's a lot of knee-jerking going on here!! ...not just knees either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Ricky 4000 said: If I was going to do something that people would find obscene and/or disgusting - I'd have the decency to do it in a darkened room, and in private. See above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzbass Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 it would have made sense if they were Dean COPIES of Gibsons hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Ricky 4000 said: If I was going to do something that people would find obscene and/or disgusting - I'd have the decency to do it in a darkened room, and in private. And BassChat appreciates your discrete behaviour, Ricky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 11 hours ago, chris_b said: No company would put known "bad" products out into the market place, so it's unrealistic to expect that Gibson would. Errmmm.....Rickenbacker, lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, stingrayPete1977 said: Errmmm.....Rickenbacker, lol I didn't dare say it! They* would've strung me up! *bad people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Stub Mandrel said: I mean if you're a Chippendale it would be OK, but... Hah 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, SpondonBassed said: I am sure it's English wot you rote but I don't understand a word of it, sorry. WTF is Dean? Perhaps this will help? https://www.deanguitars.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said: One thing is the 'robot' tuners. My brotehr had an LP junior from new with robots. They were never good, and when they automatically removed his g-string during a performance he was not impressed - I mean if you're a Chippendale it would be OK, but... They became so reliably unreliable he was able to record a video of the guitar removing its own strings just in response to being strummed, which he sent to Gibson. I had a gibson darkfire with robot tuners. It wasn't perfect but it worked (the QC of the guitar itself was shocking). I got rid of it because i was offered good money and wasn't playing guitar, but I would have it again in a heartbeat, and if I had the option for robot tuners over normal tuners, I would have them. But in general, guitarists are even worse than bassists for 'if it wasn't invented in the 50s' syndrome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SpondonBassed said: WTF is Dean? Also known as 'Robbieeeeeeee' from that heart warming story of genteel east-end folk: You're welcome! Edited August 2, 2019 by Teebs Wrong cockney! Oops! 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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