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New Mesa Walkabout-style high powered amp WD-800....and new cabs...

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6 minutes ago, JimBobTTD said:

Is there no US distributor? If the amps go Mesa > Shops in the US, then I can understand the difference. 

If the amps go Mesa > US Distributor > European Distributor > Shops, then I see a great way to simplify the supply chain rather than a reason why there is a huge markup. If this European distributor is liable for the guarantee, then Mesa, by definition, is not, and so can sell the amps at an even lower price. 

If we see $999 as the retail price per amp, add $15 per unit for extra postage costs and then add 20% VAT, the total price should be $1,217 or £916 (at today’s exchange rate). The fact that it costs half as much again suggests that something fishy is going on. 

I understood that Mesa are their own distributor in the US. Could be wrong.

Remember that duty is also added at 4%, so total of 24%, and that is added on the unit cost + shipping cost.

I'll stick to my conclusion a reasonable UK retail should be about £1000.

On the warranty, it is not the variable cost of repair that will add extra cost, but the fixed overhead of having a mirrored organisation to administer and execute returns and repairs.

Although again, it might just be cheaper to rtb to Mesa in the USA given the much higher retail price.

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There is a simple way of dealing with this. Cut out the middlemen/women so that the amps/cabs/pedals actually sell pretty well in the UK etc.

I am pretty certain that TC Electronics decided to go directly to shops which resulted in a drop in prices. This was maybe late summer 2018. 

I understand they cover warranties, but surely the cheapest/easiest way to do this is for Mesa/any other brand to just get in touch with a well known repair hub and say they will be their repair centre and work out  the basics. No need to 'store' gear and deal with things at a middleman/middlewoman dealer. It's adding costs. It is 2019; communication is possible for free via video call...we can ship things securely, etc. 

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I do wonder why the buyer should stump up via the back door to cover warranty repairs anyway...?

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2 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

I do wonder why the buyer should stump up via the back door to cover warranty repairs anyway...?

Well they shouldn't.  But even so, a business would have to factor that into a retail price to make a profit.

I just did a quick comparison of USA made (or assembled!) bass gear.  Most brands seem to be at about the 1:1 or less dollars to pounds conversion.

What makes Mesa the exception I guess you have to ask?

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3 minutes ago, No. 8 Wire said:

Well they shouldn't.  But even so, a business would have to factor that into a retail price to make a profit.

I just did a quick comparison of USA made (or assembled!) bass gear.  Most brands seem to be at about the 1:1 or less dollars to pounds conversion.

What makes Mesa the exception I guess you have to ask?

Your question is exactly the right one. 

The 1$: 1£ conversion rate has long been accepted as the ballpark conversion rate to take account of shipping, customs and 20% VAT i.e. US made gear will cost approx 30% more in the UK. We can live with that, it's just a fact of life. 

But there is a level of profiteering going on here at the expense of Mesa's otherwise loyal European user base, which we are all finding more than a little like having one finger stuck up at us by the suppliers. And it's getting an understandable two fingered reaction from us as consumers.

I'll be voting with my wallet. 

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Just by way of comparison, our American cousins are also paying through the nose for UK bass gear. Just had a quick look at Orange 4 Stroke US prices!

Maybe there is some kind of transatlantic reverse price war going on...

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This thread has morphed into a pretty pointless discussion. All these comments are based on very little information and a lot of pie-in-the-sky guesswork.

Why aren't BMW's the same price as Fords? They're not. If you want one you'll have to pay the price that BMW have set. If you don't want to. . . then you're not in the demographic, so move on and buy something in your price range.

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10 minutes ago, chris_b said:

This thread has morphed into a pretty pointless discussion. All these comments are based on very little information and a lot of pie-in-the-sky guesswork.

Why aren't BMW's the same price as Fords? They're not. If you want one you'll have to pay the price that BMW have set. If you don't want to. . . then you're not in the demographic, so move on and buy something in your price range.

That's not the discussion at all.  The discussion is why are BMWs in the UK are a lot more than BMWs in Germany (spoiler, they're not, just using your terms).

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1 minute ago, chris_b said:

This thread has morphed into a pretty pointless discussion. All these comments are based on very little information and a lot of pie-in-the-sky guesswork.

Why aren't BMW's the same price as Fords? They're not. If you want one you'll have to pay the price that BMW have set. If you don't want to. . . then you're not in the demographic, so move on and buy something in your price range.

The discussion is about why a BMW seems to be priced far more in the UK than in another country. It's nice to get a bit of rationale behind why, even if we don't agree with it.

By the way, if you click the cross at the top-right of your browser, it'll close the window so you don't have to tolerate it any more.

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An interesting dynamic for me. There is a possibility I could be moving to live in Santa Monica next year. In which case I would get the US price and warranty anyway! A meeting at the end of the month will help decide to wait or not.

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50 minutes ago, Bobthedog said:

An interesting dynamic for me. There is a possibility I could be moving to live in Santa Monica next year. In which case I would get the US price and warranty anyway! A meeting at the end of the month will help decide to wait or not.

Are you sure you're not taking the whole issue of getting a fair price on your WD-800 a touch too far? 😄 

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2 hours ago, spencer.b said:

I see Bassdirect has got them in stock, anyone on here got one yet?

I will be trying one out, however, my post above puts a possible spanner in the way. 

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