Al Krow Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, dave_bass5 said: Where did you hear that? Which bit? The embargo? Was meant to be a light hearted footnote, but seems to have caused a certain amount of righteous indignation - lol! It's a straightforward decision in product market segmentation by Line 6 that makes very good commercial sense from their perspective. Same processor capacity in Stomp and HX Effects? I thought that was relatively well known. But happy to be corrected if that's not accurate. Edited November 21, 2020 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Which bit? The embargo? Was meant to be a lighthearted footnote, but seems to have caused righteous indignation - lol! It's a simple commercial decision in product market segmentation by Line 6 that makes completely good sense. Same processor capacity in Stomp and HX Effects? I thought that was relatively well known. But happy to be corrected if that's not accurate. Sorry, yeah, the DSP bit. I always thought they were different but never really looked in to it. Just interested really. I know the POD GO uses a different one, just wondering how they all compare. Edited November 20, 2020 by dave_bass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, dave_bass5 said: Sorry, yeah, the DSP bit. I always thought they were different but never really looked in to it. Just interested really. I know the POD GO uses a different one, just wondering how they all compare. So what I've been able to find from the net, which confirms what I had understood, is that in terms of DSP Processor(s): Helix Floor, Rack and LT all have 2x SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450 MHz HX Effects and Stomp both have 1x SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450 MHz Stomp was given three fewer effects blocks than Effects because it had amp and cab sims which are DSP hungry, so that users didn't find themselves running out of DSP when trying to fill the blocks (although some TB'ers were finding that they were on occasion struggling with > 4 blocks on Stomp) My light hearted quip which seems to have earned the wrath of some (lol) is that given Line 6 have just increased the number of blocks available to Stomp users to almost the same number available on HX Effects, it would be a nice quid pro quo if they also made amp and cab sims available to HX Effects users. For obvious commercial reasons i.e. product segmentation, I appreciate they are not going to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispn Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Neither wrath nor indignation just different SKU’s much like the Pod’s and M Series effects which came before them only they were more obviously different units marketed at the differing needs of players; the ‘all in one unit’ players and the ‘happy with their amp’ players who just wanted decent multi fx. There have been numerous threads where the virtues and flaws of both have been exhaustively discussed and we’ve both commented similarly on them. I don’t think the addition of extra blocks will be a deal breaker on the stomp for many folk considering the payoff of what one might realistically be able to use in those blocks due to the processing requirements but the HXFX could find itself struggling equally with potentially a perceived ‘loss of blocks’ if the amp/cab sims were available in future updates especially if being used along with poly pitch effects. Having 9 blocks drop to 5 or 6 might appear to be a backwards step! Again it’s a trade off and Line 6 made the call to divest some users of amp/cab modelling a long time ago with no obvious consequences and appear to have successfully appealed to both camps. Sure newer tech nips ahead but that’s just the nature of the game. Edited November 21, 2020 by krispn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Al Krow said: So what I've been able to find from the net, which confirms what I had understood, is that in terms of DSP Processor(s): Helix Floor, Rack and LT all have 2x SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450 MHz HX Effects and Stomp both have 1x SHARC ADSP-21469 @ 450 MHz Thanks, good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Welcome. I think I read recently someone had just upgraded their Helix to a LT and found it to be a decent step up. Kinda makes very good sense in terms of additional DSP and blocks available and provides a true "pedalboard" alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Welcome. I think I read recently someone had just upgraded their Helix to a LT and found it to be a decent step up. Kinda makes very good sense in terms of additional DSP and blocks available and provides a true "pedalboard" alternative. I really think as a bass player if you need that many effect blocks you are playing the wrong instrument lol. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Welcome. I think I read recently someone had just upgraded their Helix to a LT and found it to be a decent step up. Upgraded their helix to an LT? Isn't that a downgrade or did you mean a stomp? I got a LT cheap for a while but went back to my HX Effects. Sold it for more that I got it for though, which is good. If I had been a guitarist I fully FRFR would have probably kept it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: I really think as a bass player if you need that many effect blocks you are playing the wrong instrument lol. Haha! Or perhaps equally true that you maybe have greater sonic imagination than your average bass player? Like this chap who is not atypical of pedal board users... Or this one? (Who I know has a great deal more creative juices running through his veins than your average chappy!) And there's an equally well trodden case that you don't need any pedals at all! Edited November 21, 2020 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: Upgraded their helix to an LT? Isn't that a downgrade or did you mean a stomp? I got a LT cheap for a while but went back to my HX Effects. Sold it for more that I got it for though, which is good. If I had been a guitarist I fully FRFR would have probably kept it though. Yeah I was referring to Helix generically rather than specifically to the Helix Floor (or Rack). Can't remember whether he had a Stomp or HX Effects previously. Have you felt limited by HX Effect's DSP vs the LT's at any point? Edited November 21, 2020 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispn Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: I really think as a bass player if you need that many effect blocks you are playing the wrong instrument lol. Well no one can accuse you of saying one thing and doing another since you literally became a keys player! 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, krispn said: Well no one can accuse you of saying one thing and doing another since you literally became a keys player! 😀 He's still got my old Yamaha BB 425 which I want to buy back off him (as do several others apparently!) 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apeneck Sweeney Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 If anyone near Dundee is thinking of upgrading to an LT I saw one on Gumtree with flight case for £500 earlier in the week. (I don't know why I've kept the saved search as I have an HX effects and a Stomp. I've seen a few go for £450. I know I don't need one but just in case.... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, krispn said: Well no one can accuse you of saying one thing and doing another since you literally became a keys player! 😀 Haha, and I still never used more than 6 blocks in my HFX. I think it’s very easy to get things out of perspective on here. It seems to be a ‘you can’ rather than ‘you will’ a lot of the time. I just don’t get the ‘must have’ when in reality you won’t, ever. EDIT: That seems a bit judgmental, it wast supposed to be. I have nothing against having more, i just think its easy to go over the top and then never use most of it. Edited November 21, 2020 by dave_bass5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Have you felt limited by HX Effect's DSP vs the LT's at any point? Nope, never had an issue with it, the HX has enough for what I want to do. Without needing the amp / cab stuff there is enough in there for everything I want. If I was performing with the Chapman stick, then I would probably want to go back to a Helix as that would be two processing paths, but that isn't going to happen any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: Nope, never had an issue with it, the HX has enough for what I want to do. Without needing the amp / cab stuff there is enough in there for everything I want. If I was performing with the Chapman stick, then I would probably want to go back to a Helix as that would be two processing paths, but that isn't going to happen any time soon Light hearted quips aside - I'm in exactly the same boat. Very happy with my actual amp and cab so don't really need those particular DSP hungry sims (although more is always a "nice to have" to muck about with and try out!) and very appreciative of being able to set the HX Effects up as a series of pedal boards comprising 6 pedals and a stomp switch for each. The one thing that would be really nice would be the recently introduced metering on the Floor / Rack / LT also being available on the Stomp and HX Effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: I have nothing against having more, i just think its easy to go over the top and then never use most of it. Yup one bass, a lead and an amp & cab. Job done. No question that the last decade on Basschat thinking about gear was not very utilitarian was it? Now remind me exactly how many drive pedals you've been through? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Light hearted quips aside - I'm in exactly the same boat. Very happy with my actual amp and cab so don't really need those particular DSP hungry sims (although more is always a "nice to have" to muck about with and try out!) and very appreciative of being able to set the HX Effects up as a series of pedal boards comprising 6 pedals and a stomp switch for each. The one thing that would be really nice would be the recently introduced metering on the Floor / Rack / LT also being available on the Stomp and HX Effects. Same here. The only reason my Stomp out lasted my HFX was for home playing, where its a bit easier to use with headphones. Thats the only time i used an amp sim, and even then by the end i was pretty much using the BDDI sim instead. I would have liked a LT, but like the Pod go it has the expression pedal on it, and i would never use it. Yes, i could have just not used it, but its sitting there making the board larger than it would need to be without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Or this one? (Who I know has a great deal more creative juices running through his veins than your average chappy!) Has that guy unplugged the ones thhe don’t need? 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Al Krow said: Yup one bass, a lead and an amp & cab. Job done. No question that the last decade on Basschat thinking about gear was not very utilitarian was it? Now remind me exactly how many drive pedals you've been through? 😁 Been through, but never used all at once 😁. In fact never more than one on my board (plus a preamp sometimes) at any one time, and this was on an almost weekly rotation until i stopped. More is good, not knocking that at all, and i do believe bass sounds more in testing with an effect or 2, but more then you would ever need and calling it a negative.....just silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, LukeFRC said: Has that guy unplugged the ones thhe don’t need? 🤣 He lost the manual for all of them 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Now remind me exactly how many drive pedals you've been through? 😁 To be fair @dave_bass5 pedal buying and views have saved me and probably others a fair bit of money in the past! Don’t knock it, unbiased reviews are good!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, LukeFRC said: To be fair @dave_bass5 pedal buying and views have saved me and probably others a fair bit of money in the past! Don’t knock it, unbiased reviews are good!! Glad it helped 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: To be fair @dave_bass5 pedal buying and views have saved me and probably others a fair bit of money in the past! Don’t knock it, unbiased reviews are good!! +1 ^^ Unbiased reviews rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Al Krow said: +1 ^^ Unbiased reviews rock. And all in a live band context, none of that at home/isolation stuff from me, which is important to me as thats how i would use them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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