Grangur Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, SpondonBassed said: I saw a documentary that looked at Olde English timber framed buildings. I forget the details but depending on the latitude of the forest the oak would grow more or less quickly. This has a direct bearing on the density of the wood. You could tell, by looking at the relative width of the rings showing the length of the local season for rapid growth, roughly what part of the world the oak had come from. Wealthy builders imported oak partially for this reason. Good point, and very interesting. I guess this is due to the UK being a wetter climate then that found in eastern Europe. So in English oak there may be a higher water content which will mean that when dried it's less dense, but I am only guessing here. Also, where in the UK can we find prolific growers of Oak trees for harvesting for large scale production? There's a reason why products made from real English Oak are expensive - it's a very limited resource. In Poland and Romania oak is much easier to source. They have more land space to grow it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimothey Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Unfortunately you can't generalise when it comes to wood, every piece of wood is different and can vary in weight and density even in the same species, I was surprised when I purchased some calibrated Canadian Maple and calibrated Brown Oak from British hardwoods and the Maple boards were heavier!?! Go figure?? I was just going to say about moisture content as that can vary a lot even in dry wood so that will also effect the weight not necessarily the density........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grangur said: So in English oak there may be a higher water content which will mean that when dried it's less dense, but I am only guessing here. It was more that the lighter coloured rings were wider where there was a more favourable length of growing season. The lighter rings are less dense. 42 minutes ago, Jimothey said: I was just going to say about moisture content as that can vary a lot even in dry wood so that will also effect the weight not necessarily the density Density is Mass over Volume and therefore the weight (mass m times acceleration due to gravity g) would be affected in all cases since taking away the weight of the water affects the weight of the timber. The width of the lighter growing rings relative to the darker, Winter season, rings wouldn't change that much even in kiln dried timber. You would get variations within a locality too as you suggest. If a tree grew in a less well lit or a less well nourished part of the forest for example. I wish I could remember what that documentary was called. There was a lot of fascinating stuff about really old timbers. Edited March 7, 2019 by SpondonBassed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Whatever the science thread, I just made a new type of construction, "full hidden neck thru" . Not really easy to make perfect matching pieces with limited equipment, but, worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) When I said new, I meant for me, I am quite sure Fodera or someone else do the same system. An advice if you want to try the same system: add always 1mm for the part of the neck inside the body. It will be (if I don't break something before) my first 6 string, finally. Good for @eude And I have enough room for a 5 broadneck on the other (according Warwick specs) @Henrythe8 will be happy. Edited March 11, 2019 by Marcoelwray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Marcoelwray said: When I said new, I meant for me, I am quite sure Fodera or someone else do the same system. An advice if you want to try the same system: add always 1mm for the part of the neck inside the body. It will be (if I don't break something before) my first 6 string, finally. Good for @eude And I have enough room for a 5 broadneck on the other (according Warwick specs) @Henrythe8 will be happy. Looking good. I've considered that approach for fully hidden through neck in the past - but decided that it was WAY beyond my skill set.... I raise my glass to you, sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Marcoelwray said: When I said new, I meant for me, I am quite sure Fodera or someone else do the same system. An advice if you want to try the same system: add always 1mm for the part of the neck inside the body. It will be (if I don't break something before) my first 6 string, finally. Good for @eude And I have enough room for a 5 broadneck on the other (according Warwick specs) @Henrythe8 will be happy. That's all very exciting, greta work mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Andyjr1515 said: Looking good. I've considered that approach for fully hidden through neck in the past - but decided that it was WAY beyond my skill set.... I raise my glass to you, sir In fact, it's more easy than a normal hidden neck thru. I just messed up a little bit on the neck thickness, but the I did the 6er first because it's kind of a prototype, or at least I don't want to mess up the 5 broadneck. The neck will be more tighten into the pockets. Gluing the other half tonight ! A shame I'm stucked because I do not have truss rods and my 6mm bit is dead... (And unfortunately I need money these months after paying 1000 euros of taxes and other house stuffs.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Not that easy. But the second was more precise. Currently drying. Need trussrods. But it is going well so far.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Getting closer... Need to work on trussrods routing now.... Then put the truss rods, glue the fretboards... After fin part starts, carving ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Those are going to look mighty pretty when they are finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrythe8 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Dat flame on the fretboard... :love: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Guys.... Rosten Beech burl, available at my supplier. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Marcoelwray said: Guys.... Rosten Beech burl, available at my supplier. Amazing. My goodness! Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Marcoelwray said: Guys.... Rosten Beech burl, available at my supplier. Amazing. Very nice. Wouldn't mind a slice of that!!! Looks big enough for two tops but I'd like to cut one right out of the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Jabba_the_gut said: Very nice. Wouldn't mind a slice of that!!! Looks big enough for two tops but I'd like to cut one right out of the middle. 550x180x18 1 piece available ! I'm wondering... Should I buy it just to have it? Is it possible to have a sort of GAS for wood? Like a "WAS" ?!?!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Marcoelwray said: 550x180x18 1 piece available ! I'm wondering... Should I buy it just to have it? Is it possible to have a sort of GAS for wood? Like a "WAS" ?!?!?? I've got 'WAS' for that - if it was local to me, I'd buy it just to have it too!!! I can't believe some of the wood that you have so locally to you - I must try looking harder near me. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Jabba_the_gut said: I've got 'WAS' for that - if it was local to me, I'd buy it just to have it too!!! I can't believe some of the wood that you have so locally to you - I must try looking harder near me. Cheers I mean, it's just beech, a very common wood everywhere in Europe ! My supplier has just 1 piece, in stock, IMHO I think it's very rare because a burl of this size (enough to make a top) isn't really common. You can try my supplier... He has good prices, but Delivery is quite expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrythe8 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I say buy it. It'll come in handy. It's a bit too thick for a top, but if you can slice it in two... it'll mean two burly tops. I Sent you a mail with some ideas, BTW. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Carving is near from end. I have some hard times to stop working... Always doing more than what I wanted Good news is the 5 is well advanced, truss, fretboard, radius, carving, deep mathematics (it'll be a 18.5mm string spacing after all so not so broadneck but still 48 at the nut) long hours of sanding ahead ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Marcoelwray said: It's not often that I say this but I do like a good volute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 @SpondonBassed Just for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Marcoelwray said: @SpondonBassed Just for you! That's going to feel lovely to the player's fretting hand. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marcoelwray Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Oddly, I hate to do that. (It's wood dust in fret slots) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 24/03/2019 at 18:35, Marcoelwray said: Oddly, I hate to do that. (It's wood dust in fret slots) Paua dot? Looks nice, whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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