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Just now, Hellzero said:

Sorry, but Marcus Miller doesn't sound the same with a Squier, a Sire or his Signature Fender, which, by the way, is more a Sadowsky than a Fender. If you've heard and seen him live, he is fighting with his Sire to get a decent sound and doesn't feel at home until he picks up his "Fender" bass. 

That said, you can ask Fodera to put the output jack in the headstock, they will do it as long as you pay for it.

What you don't seem to understand is the "philosophy" behind Signatures : people buying them want the exact same instrument, which is an heresy, for sure. 

I've been playing luthiers basses for years and, again, sorry, but I really can't play mass production instruments anymore.

But again, the best bass is the one you like, be it a Squier or a Fodera.

That said, except the AJ6, I don't like Fodera's at all : way far too expensive for what they really are.

My main basses are Leduc's because they are just what I'm looking for.

And take the time to listen to Anthony Jackson. B|

I have seen him live a couple of times and heard/seen clips of him playing different basses and he always sounds like Marcus. Ok there might be very subtle differences but given the amount of things that can be attributed to - amp, amp EQ, mic, bass EQ/pickup blend, amp/room interaction I would say attributing the subtle differences you may hear to the bass would be very difficult to justify.

No doubt his sig is easier to play than a squier and a Sire.

As for the philiosophy of the signature basses, arent most (almost definitely NOT in the case of the AJ6) just very close approximations of the bass the players actually use?

Do you have a youtube link you can send me for a tune of AJ that best represents what he is all about please?

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Try this, Anthony Jackson is a bit more on the front as Steve Smith is a bit more "discreet" than Simon Phillips or Steve Gadd. Hiromi is the same, terrific and exuberant at the same time :

 

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12 minutes ago, Hellzero said:

Try this, Anthony Jackson is a bit more on the front as Steve Smith is a bit more "discreet" than Simon Phillips or Steve Gadd. Hiromi is the same, terrific and exuberant at the same time :

 

Man I am digging this...

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4 hours ago, dyerseve said:

I just dont understand how a Fodera can be that amazing compared to all the other high end basses out there. I mean really, how much better is it than a Wal, a masterbuilt Warwick, a Ritter, Alembic etc.

They're not better, they're just different.

I've owned a few of all of those and for me, they're all pushing the envelope of how versatile a bass can be for me personally. 

Ultimately it's down to the relationship of one instrument and a player, not one brand and players in general, but Fodera, Wal and Ritter are at the top of the tree for me. 

The one I don't own at the moment is an Alembic, but that's another story. 

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15 minutes ago, Frank Blank said:

Man I am digging this...

That second track....incredible.

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18 hours ago, bipbip62 said:

I'm the seller of the AJ6... :hi:

If you want to try it... it's possible in the North of France...:crigon_04:

It's an expensive bass but it's a exceptional bass.... :heart:

Trade with a bass + cash is possible...

And I'm a very good seller... xD

 

It's a stunning bass. Were I not in the North of England, I'd be on my way to France to have a go of it and giving you a good bottle of spirits as thanks for the opportunity!

 

As for the front mounted jack, I've always liked them. I use cables with a 90° end on them for my basses with side mounted jack sockets so I don't prang the cable when sitting but I'd be just as happy with a top mounted jack. The Ibanez SR jack, routed into the body as it is, is also great for playing whilst seated. Make no mistake, there is not one single detail on a Fodera Contrabass that has not been extensively reviewed through various iterations of the instrument. Anthony is extremely specific as to how his instrument should be function. 

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Trouble is, take that to its logical conclusion and you need to be (at least roughly) AJ's shape for his ergonomics to work for you.

That's a sacrifice I'm not prepared to make.

9_9

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Just now, Happy Jack said:

Trouble is, take that to its logical conclusion and you need to be (at least roughly) AJ's shape for his ergonomics to work for you.

That's a sacrifice I'm not prepared to make.

9_9

Yes, I was watching that fabulous video posted above earlier and it reminded me that it’s a big guy playing a big bass. Not for everyone.

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24 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

Yes, I was watching that fabulous video posted above earlier and it reminded me that it’s a big guy playing a big bass. Not for everyone.

He's actually very slim at the moment. He's slimmed down massively in the past too, and never stopped playing his Contrabasses. 

He's had some health issues of late, so I dearly hope he's on the mend. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Chris2112 said:

He's actually very slim at the moment. He's slimmed down massively in the past too, and never stopped playing his Contrabasses. 

He's had some health issues of late, so I dearly hope he's on the mend. 

 

Yes, he does look a little heavier in that video than he currently does, but I meant his frame. Gotta be over 6 foot and that bass looks big on him.

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Just to muddy the waters further, AJ is on record as saying that his signature Fodera is essentially a big Fender Precision Bass. the instrument he made his name with in the mid-70s.

Fodera basses are not really my cup of tea, but there is no question that they are worth the money they cost. The fact that they are manufactured in NYC may contribute to a small extent to their price tag, but it is not realistic to suppose that they would be half the price , or even anything remotely like that if they were made anywhere else in the USA. The reason they are expensive is because of the amount of skilled man-hours it takes to make these basses.

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Let’s also not forget that Anthony Jackson has had a greater role in making the six-string bass what it is than just about anyone in history. If he wants the jack on top on his bass, you bet your donkey he gets it!

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On ‎01‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 13:02, Hellzero said:

Try this, Anthony Jackson is a bit more on the front as Steve Smith is a bit more "discreet" than Simon Phillips or Steve Gadd. Hiromi is the same, terrific and exuberant at the same time :

 

Nice! Fabulous pianist.

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Saw Hiromi with Stanley at Ronnie Scott's - good gig. (The awesome Nigel Price supporting.) Anywho, I don't think the main discourse is comparing apples with apples. So I get the points about sub-£g basses but perfectly good - which they are these days. (For the record, I don't think MM 'fights' his Sire's in the vids I've seen.) But Fodera seem like a small specialist company loyal to their clientele, including Victor, but also AJ. It's a smart move too as AJ is the bassist's bassist and I think we're all in awe so building him exactly what he needs means a Fodera is in the hands of the bassist we, and many named professionals look to. It's not optimised for mass production like our sub-£g's are so reproducing them is time-consuming exercise from a dedicated team of luthiers. Got no problem rationalising the cost of this against, say a Sire. Both good but fulfilling different purposes. And in a perennially made point, £10k or even £20k for a pre-eminent instrument is peanuts in the classical world.

I wouldn't do justice to a Fodera AJ and I'd be terrified off dinging it so I don't lust after one but I'm sort of glad they're a thing.

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22 hours ago, Misdee said:

Just to muddy the waters further, AJ is on record as saying that his signature Fodera is essentially a big Fender Precision Bass. the instrument he made his name with in the mid-70s.

Fodera basses are not really my cup of tea, but there is no question that they are worth the money they cost. The fact that they are manufactured in NYC may contribute to a small extent to their price tag, but it is not realistic to suppose that they would be half the price , or even anything remotely like that if they were made anywhere else in the USA. The reason they are expensive is because of the amount of skilled man-hours it takes to make these basses.

Sorry to contradict but read the post earlier where Fodera themselves have stated that they could reduce the price tag by 50% if they were made elsewhere in the US.

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12 minutes ago, dyerseve said:

Sorry to contradict but read the post earlier where Fodera themselves have stated that they could reduce the price tag by 50% if they were made elsewhere in the US.

It wouldn’t a Fodera if it didn’t come out of Brooklyn though.

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13 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

It wouldn’t a Fodera if it didn’t come out of Brooklyn though.

Of course it would. People make basses, location is completely irrelevant

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On 01/06/2018 at 13:02, Hellzero said:

Try this, Anthony Jackson is a bit more on the front as Steve Smith is a bit more "discreet" than Simon Phillips or Steve Gadd. Hiromi is the same, terrific and exuberant at the same time :

 

Thanks but not really my thing. He seems a decent enough player but not hearing anything that really wows me. It's all subjective I guess

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12 minutes ago, dyerseve said:

Of course it would. People make basses, location is completely irrelevant

If the people that know how to make the basses a certain way are in Brooklyn and are staying in Brooklyn, then it is relevant.

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19 minutes ago, dyerseve said:

Of course it would. People make basses, location is completely irrelevant

A Sadowsky is still a Sadowsky whether it’s made in Tokyo or NYC... but guess which one people pay more for?

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4 minutes ago, therealting said:

A Sadowsky is still a Sadowsky whether it’s made in Tokyo or NYC... but guess which one people pay more for?

So locations make the prices which is exactly what I was saying...

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Yup. Fodera are on record as saying that they want to make sure that their craftsmen and everyone working for them deserves to be paid a decent living wage for where they’re based, hence their prices. 

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6 minutes ago, dyerseve said:

So locations make the prices which is exactly what I was saying...

Nah... a little bit obviously but the main factor will always be the day-rates of the luthiers involved and what price they can charge based on demand. A luthier with an 18 month waiting list will charge more than one with half that.

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