Happy Jack Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Bloody Hell! Is it in 11/4? Is it in 2/4 with an occasional extra note? Are those trumpets playing triplets? Does it look like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I once heard that the trumpet section was added after the track had been ‘completed’ and they had to fit in as best they could....don’t know if that’s just anecdotal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 It always thought it sounded a bit unsure of itself when I tried to learn it , and as the band couldn't agree what it was supposed to sound like ....... we didn't bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 We do a version of it. It certainly is one of those songs. Ours isn't correct but sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Pascale Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Yeah our gtr player wanted to do it . No one could figure out the time or maybe no one cared enough to bother. So we play it and everyone is following someone else. Pesky bars of two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 It's one of those songs where a dull thud is one's best friend and a prior investment in foam rubber pays a handsome dividend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) Although it has a double time feel, it’s in 4/4 with some 2/4 bars. Those Mariachi Brass licks are just a two bar phrase of 3/4 and 4/4. I think it might be the 3/4 bar that throws people off-kilter. Edited May 29, 2018 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBike Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: My favourite version.... I saw him play the NEC on that tour, who would have known at the time it would be his last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 5 hours ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: My favourite version.... Agreed 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 The verses are all over the shop as well, I wrote it out for a fireworks night do thinking it would be an easy learn but each one is different. No rules for those guys, just change chord where the tune dictates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, scalpy said: The verses are all over the shop as well, I wrote it out for a fireworks night do thinking it would be an easy learn but each one is different. No rules for those guys, just change chord where the tune dictates. I think you are making it sound harder than what is, Scalpy. It’s actually very structured and disciplined. The arranger, Peter Newberry transcribed it down to a tee. His scrolling score is below. GM midi sounds, but the notes and time signatures are all there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAlex_ZAR Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 gotta love the Zappa version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) https://soundcloud.com/user-599147927/ring-of-fire-1 Edited May 29, 2018 by Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Nice work, Lowdown, that's exactly what I needed. Does he also do a transcription of what my bandmates actually play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Jack said: Does he also do a transcription of what my bandmates actually play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 13 hours ago, martthebass said: I once heard that the trumpet section was added after the track had been ‘completed’ and they had to fit in as best they could....don’t know if that’s just anecdotal. Yes. Apparently, In a dream one night he heard the Mexican trumpets, so he rushed to overdub them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Was it the Mescaline, do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Hobbayne said: Yes. Apparently, In a dream one night he heard the Mexican trumpets, so he rushed to overdub them. Yes, seems it was in his dream. The story is up on Wiki. “After hearing Anita's version, Cash claimed he had a dream where he heard the song accompanied by "Mexican horns". Cash stated, "I'll give you about five or six more months, and if you don't hit with it, I'm gonna record it the way I feel it."[citation needed] Cash noted that adding trumpets was a change to his basic sound.[8] When the song failed to become a major hit for Anita, Cash recorded it his own way, adding the mariachi-style horns from his dream. This sound was later used in the song "It Ain't Me Babe", which was recorded around the same time. Mother Maybelle and the Carter sisters are prominently featured in the Cash recording singing harmony. Cash tinkered with a few of the original phrases in Anita Carter's version of the song.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Used to play this in a country band I was in. Great song. Didn't notice anything strange about it. My favourite version is this by the Animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 3 hours ago, lowdown said: I think you are making it sound harder than what is, Scalpy. It’s actually very structured and disciplined. The arranger, Peter Newberry transcribed it down to a tee. His scrolling score is below. GM midi sounds, but the notes and time signatures are all there. Great video and had a quick check against my transcription- and we work it the same way fortunately. However, I maintain if you have a band that isn’t really familiar with the song and the singers don’t dictate where the tune is it’s blooming tricky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 If you know the song it's pretty easy, If you don't, it can de a bit strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger2611 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 We learnt it for a wedding we played a few years back I seem to remember it was a PITA to get right especially as we were only playing it once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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