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Zoom B3n firmware 2.0 - GuitarLab 3.0 editor updates

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Well, the long-awaited update to the most recent Zoom multi-effects (G5n, G3n, B3n) has finally happened in conjunction with a total overhaul of their companion editor/librarian, GuitarLab.  The original GuitarLab software editor was so feature poor that it was almost embarrassing, and Zoom users have been waiting for them to produce a REAL editor for these effects pedals.  Well, it's here now, and it's a solid offering. 

https://www.zoom.co.jp/news/GuitarLab_v3

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Zoom also used the opportunity to add some new items to the B3n in addition to an entirely new firmware release (2.0): 

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@jimfist - thanks v much for sharing that. Looking forward to getting the firmware downloaded.

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I've had a very quick look at the Zoom update (on a G3n) and for me the really big news is that they've implemented full MIDI control of the pedal.  (This explains why the editor took longer than many wanted...)

It means that real-time midi control of these pedals should now be possible. I might yet incorporate control of these into the ZPI  if there's much interest.

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5 hours ago, drdashdot said:


I've had a very quick look at the Zoom update (on a G3n) and for me the really big news is that they've implemented full MIDI control of the pedal.  (This explains why the editor took longer than many wanted...)

It means that real-time midi control of these pedals should now be possible. I might yet incorporate control of these into the ZPI  if there's much interest.

forgive my ignorance but what would that let you do? the way I'm thinking it would work would let the B3n become a really powerful tool... 

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50 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

forgive my ignorance but what would that let you do? the way I'm thinking it would work would let the B3n become a really powerful tool... 

 

External midi control allows patch change but the ZPI also can control effect parameters (including expression pedal control of any parameter), control other midi pedals, control of DAW, control Zoom pedals by DAW, master tempo control/tap tempo and probably some other stuff I've overlooked.  It becomes very useful when you have more than one pedal under midi control - a single footswitch can make multiple changes on multiple pedals.
It looks like the n-series looper also is controllable by midi (unlike older Zoom pedals.)
Very interesting ... a day ago I was ignoring the n series pedals. Now, maybe not.

(and yes, midi control makes the B3n much more powerful, with the right controller.)

 

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This is very exciting! I've been successfully using Tonelib, which is great. But added MIDI functionality do beat all.

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A small thing, but does anyone know if the signal chain can be switched to run right to left?

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3 hours ago, songofthewind said:

This is very exciting! I've been successfully using Tonelib, which is great. But added MIDI functionality do beat all.

Is this going to make Tonelib redundant, or is there a benefit to downloading / getting to grips with both? 

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Current ToneLib is not yet compatible with the new 2.0 firmware, but I've read that the creator is working on a re-write to make them compatible, if you prefer ToneLib over GuitarLab 3.0

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47 minutes ago, jimfist said:

Current ToneLib is not yet compatible with the new 2.0 firmware, but I've read that the creator is working on a re-write to make them compatible, if you prefer ToneLib over GuitarLab 3.0

It claims to be compatible with G5n, MS-60B and MS-70CDR firmware version 2.0 . As far as I can tell GuitarLab doesn't work at all on the older pedals, so Tonelib is still useful if you don't have a Xn version.

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Well, I've just loaded v3 up, and it seems to work OK, apart from a nag screen telling me to connect to the internet. I added the v2 firmware with no problems.

The editor and general layout is not as intuitive as Tonelib.

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39 minutes ago, jimfist said:

ToneLib has been updated now to work with the B3n.

Excellent. I think therefore the recommended approach is to download the firmware 2.0 / Guitar lab 3.0 but to use the updated ToneLib as the software editor?

I get the impression that the ToneLib still has the edge in terms of usability? What say you jimfist?

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I can happily get along with either editor. I say to try both and use the one you like.  The only thing with ToneLib is that it has to keep in step with any developments from Zoom in the future, but that doesn't seem to happen very often.

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19 minutes ago, jimfist said:

I can happily get along with either editor. I say to try both and use the one you like.  The only thing with ToneLib is that it has to keep in step with any developments from Zoom in the future, but that doesn't seem to happen very often.

Well that's a helpful steer thanks; but I guess the final thing is that if the GuitarLab 3.0 editor is only for the B3n (and G3n and G5n) and not for the MS-60B, then it probably still makes sense to get to grips with ToneLib as that can deal with both. Makes sense?

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So how can Zoom get away with not publishing the Midi capability of the USB interface? I thought that it was a condition of the Midi licence that you had to publish all the Midi functions that it supported.

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4 hours ago, pete.young said:

So how can Zoom get away with not publishing the Midi capability of the USB interface? I thought that it was a condition of the Midi licence that you had to publish all the Midi functions that it supported.

Probably because none of these units are purported by ZOOM to be MIDI capable units, and the only way you can access MIDI is by doing home-brew hacks and programming which are not publicly supported/condoned by ZOOM? Just a guess.

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The release notes for the firmware state:

Added OutputVP that takes over the volume setting when switching patches

Does anyone have any idea what this actually means?

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I believe it is a way to balance the levels between two patches that implement the volume/exp pedal, so that you don't have a wild jump in volume up or down. I've not tried this yet myself to confirm how it works, but I believe that is the thinking behind it. A lot of G3n/G5n/B3n users complained about this problem, so it looks like Zoom agreed and did something about it.  Too bad, though, that it eats up a slot in the signal chain.

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On 5/12/2018 at 16:25, jimfist said:

I believe it is a way to balance the levels between two patches that implement the volume/exp pedal, so that you don't have a wild jump in volume up or down. I've not tried this yet myself to confirm how it works, but I believe that is the thinking behind it. A lot of G3n/G5n/B3n users complained about this problem, so it looks like Zoom agreed and did something about it.  Too bad, though, that it eats up a slot in the signal chain.

Forgive my ignorance but is this OutputVP only accessible through MIDI ?

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OK, I know I am a "Richard" head, just found it in the effects pool.

Take my advice just tread water when you get to 65ish, don't go further........ stay forever young !

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On 5/12/2018 at 16:25, jimfist said:

I believe it is a way to balance the levels between two patches that implement the volume/exp pedal, so that you don't have a wild jump in volume up or down. I've not tried this yet myself to confirm how it works, but I believe that is the thinking behind it. A lot of G3n/G5n/B3n users complained about this problem, so it looks like Zoom agreed and did something about it.  Too bad, though, that it eats up a slot in the signal chain.

Help! I think I must have contracted 'Auld-timers" (?) Please can someone explain the difference between DSP % and DSP power, if there is one.

I have tried to add the OutputVP (DSP 3%) to patches showing DSP 45% (total 48%,   I can still add up!) only to find the "Process Overflow" message.

I have not tried to add it to any 7 effect patches, but get the same result on 4 & 5 effect patches, all showing less than Dsp 100%.

Can any kind person explain ?

I'll just give matron a call and book a bed by the window......................

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I can't find output VP as an effect to add - am I missing something? 

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20 hours ago, LukeFRC said:

I can't find output VP as an effect to add - am I missing something? 

No Luke you are not missing something, I am...........numerous brain cells apparently.

On re-reading jimfists' contribution I think the clue lies in the "implementing the volume/expression pedal" statement, which means of course exactly what it says..........

.............I HAVE TO PLUG IN THE VOLUME/EXPRESSION PEDAL.....!!!!!!

Visiting times are posted in the day room, but don't all come at the same time, that gets Matron very perplexed.

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