bazzbass Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Reaper DAW and a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 will get you there for bugger all money. With the added bonus of our very own Focusrite guru, SiBob if you get stuck, but you won't. Reaper has great user vids and forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 14 hours ago, adi77 said: I think garage band especially on an ipad is hard to beat these days (and a pair of decent headphones) As a simple tool for putting together song ideas its fine. For any kind of serious mixing or arranging you will definitely need a more fully featured DAW. Personally I like Reaper, it does what I need, it comes in at the right price and it performs superbly in my experience in mixdowns upto 120 multichannel tracks with very advanced routing options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adi77 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, 51m0n said: As a simple tool for putting together song ideas its fine. For any kind of serious mixing or arranging you will definitely need a more fully featured DAW. Personally I like Reaper, it does what I need, it comes in at the right price and it performs superbly in my experience in mixdowns upto 120 multichannel tracks with very advanced routing options. i disagree, besides a final maximising process, maybe not even that i havent used the one on my computer recently but i think all the vst plugins can now be used on gb, so, izotope etc. can sort that out. Could even manage without that, i have posted a track here which has nothing but processing from gb on an ipad you could check it out if interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, adi77 said: i disagree, besides a final maximising process, maybe not even that i havent used the one on my computer recently but i think all the vst plugins can now be used on gb, so, izotope etc. can sort that out. Could even manage without that, i have posted a track here which has nothing but processing from gb on an ipad you could check it out if interested. Honestly. The routing options arent there to maximise yoi workflow. The processing power of even the newest tablet is not up to doing serious work. It may get there eventually but I've not seen anything that comes close yet. I dont use izotope for mastering because I get better results using the various fx I have spent over a decade honing for that particular purpose. Again I use Reaper for everything except getting a cd DDP image together for a cd plant. I use dedicated software for that specific part of the process. No plugins do it very well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adi77 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 minute ago, 51m0n said: Honestly. The routing options arent there to maximise yoi workflow. The processing power of even the newest tablet is not up to doing serious work. It may get there eventually but I've not seen anything that comes close yet. I dont use izotope for mastering because I get better results using the various fx I have spent over a decade honing for that particular purpose. Again I use Reaper for everything except getting a cd DDP image together for a cd plant. I use dedicated software for that specific part of the process. No plugins do it very well... I dont miss any routing options better is a relative term, better for you, not for someone else who is used to software way more than hardware i use cubase and studio one to "final touch" a mixdown, if at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, adi77 said: I dont miss any routing options better is a relative term, better for you, not for someone else who is used to software way more than hardware i use cubase and studio one to "final touch" a mixdown, if at all I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've been tracking, mixing and mastering exclusively in the box for about 15 years now 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adi77 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, 51m0n said: I'm not sure what you mean by that. I've been tracking, mixing and mastering exclusively in the box for about 15 years now 😆 think i misunderstood, routing options, i was thinking hardware thats integrated with daws ..and same since the dx4 chip, thats was a relief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I was referringvto Reaper's amazing internal routing. Every track can be as many channels of audio as you need. Any track van be a group You can route sends of tracks in a group through extra channels in the group. So you can have global fx tracks receiving signal via groups Which means that you can set group volume and aux sends just on the group fader. A group can contain grouos and tracks do you can nest things in a very logical manner. A track can contain any type of data, audio or midi or whatever and it all just works.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adi77 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 46 minutes ago, 51m0n said: I was referringvto Reaper's amazing internal routing. Every track can be as many channels of audio as you need. Any track van be a group You can route sends of tracks in a group through extra channels in the group. So you can have global fx tracks receiving signal via groups Which means that you can set group volume and aux sends just on the group fader. A group can contain grouos and tracks do you can nest things in a very logical manner. A track can contain any type of data, audio or midi or whatever and it all just works.... thats cool! If im not mistaken studio one is also pretty flexible with internal routing, maybe not like reaper but not bad at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Cool Things have moved on so far since the first DAWs I used 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest adi77 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 remember rebirth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Oh yeah ☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubster Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Many posters have recommended capable software packages, generally what they use. I suggest that you ignore such suggestions as you have a MAC and you have GARAGEBAND so software and computer are taken care of. Simple interface like focusrite - perfect. You have everything you need minus recording skills. You need to locate a GARAGEBAND user who can come round your house and take you through the software. Bet there is someone on here who could help you. I’m located in SW Spain so unless you’re coming on holiday, sorry - can’t help. good luck, your “ah ha” moment is just around the corner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Now I'm starting to look forward to this, as said I have a Mac and g/band so I'm going to order a 2i2 or a 2i4. I'll also need monitor speakers so any inexpensive recommendations? You get what you pay for I know but which ones?? thanks. ALSO Can anyone recommend a small keyboard to input synth/chorus type sounds please? Edited April 8, 2018 by tom1946 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Forgive me guys, I've just found the recording forum . I feel like a fool now... sorry it's my age I didn't know it was there, (shakes head) burger... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 To be honest, I'd stick to headphones just for now, simple cheapest ones until you have got the hang of routinely plugging instruments in , recording them , very rough mixing them . that in my case took a big load of work adding the complication of monitors at this stage would have just done my head in, you will get an array of choices and preferences , where to put them and how many thousands of pounds to spend on your room to make them sound right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) Ive used Pro tools, tracktion and reaper and now my lad has an Imac, I would say garageband is the easiest way to go, especially as you own a Mac, I also have the scarlett 2i2 which works seamlessly with it, one word of warning though, you will need some monitors/speakers or headphones for playing back what you have recorded, the macs internal speakers won't cut it! keyboard wise this is great, cheap, and again connects effortlessly to your mac https://www.andertons.co.uk/m-audio-keystation-mini-32-note-usb-controller-keyboard-keystationmini?LGWCODE=KEYSTATIONMINI;56375;6335&gclid=CjwKCAjw-6bWBRBiEiwA_K1ZDYpGjk0OvNKHjXtKFx0wIp2rgfCL-Jl_Y1I_N1RTcpWNAJgFXwPWCxoC6zsQAvD_BwE Edited April 8, 2018 by skidder652003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Thanks guys, I will do that. The keyboard looks ideal, is it polyphonic? can I play etherial strings etc'? or is that done using one key? I don't know how they work and the advert doesn't say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 11 hours ago, lurksalot said: To be honest, I'd stick to headphones just for now, simple cheapest ones until you have got the hang of routinely plugging instruments in , recording them , very rough mixing them . ^ This. A reasonable pair of headphones will fair much better than a cheap set of monitors at double the price. A set of Sennheiser HD280 is a great place to start (around £80). But to be honest pretty much any set of headphones will do the job to begin with. I started out on a pair of £15 no-brand cans (think I still have them somewhere!) and still do many of my rough mixes on Apple earbuds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineweasel Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, tom1946 said: The keyboard looks ideal, is it polyphonic? can I play etherial strings etc'? or is that done using one key? I don't know how they work and the advert doesn't say A MIDI keyboard like this just tells your software which notes you pressed, how hard, and when you released them. What happens then is up to the software. In GarageBand, you can select a Software Instrument for a track. Most, such as the pianos, organs etc. will simply produce all the notes you pressed, so to play a chord you play all the notes in the chord. But some of them - typically synth pads - will play a chord from a single keypress. Some play an arpeggiated chord. Some will play a repeating pattern. They're usually named descriptively. You can easily explore the different instruments without an external keyboard. In GarageBand, open the Window menu - Musical Typing, which maps your Mac keyboard onto a piano-like arrangement. Edited April 8, 2018 by pineweasel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Best bang for the buck cans for recording are Studiospares m1000 . Beat speakers 5x more expensive IME. Loads cheaper than monitors which are not really going to help much if the room isnt treated, theyll just confuse the issue to a greater or lesser degree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, tom1946 said: Thanks guys, I will do that. The keyboard looks ideal, is it polyphonic? can I play etherial strings etc'? or is that done using one key? I don't know how they work and the advert doesn't say. yep its polyphonic in that it plays chords as you would a piano etc, but as mentioned above its a midi keyboard so doesn't contain "instruments" in the keyboard itself so to speak but thats not a problem in garageband as that has loads of keyboards and synths included in the software for free. You can also download 1000's of other instruments effects etc, many for free from here https://www.kvraudio.com but thats a whole other thread! I wouldn't even think about using your computer keyboard as a "music" keyboard just grab a cheap midi keyboard as I mentioned before Edited April 9, 2018 by skidder652003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzbass Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 anyone who thinks garageband is the same as a fully featured DAW has not used a fully featured DAW IMHO YMMV etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, bazzbass said: anyone who thinks garageband is the same as a fully featured DAW has not used a fully featured DAW IMHO YMMV etc etc yep thats true but its great for a beginner (ie the OP) and its a nice transition into Logic (its primary purpose I suppose) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I agree with a decent transition into Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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