mcnach Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I don't think there was a question that Sandberg are decent manufacturers. The only question is 'why' do they do what they do. Do their instruments work? Yes, and very well. But it seems an odd way to do things to me, and to some others. That's the only question: "why did they go that route?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyerseve Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, mcnach said: I don't think there was a question that Sandberg are decent manufacturers. The only question is 'why' do they do what they do. Do their instruments work? Yes, and very well. But it seems an odd way to do things to me, and to some others. That's the only question: "why did they go that route?" except that someone did state/claim "No decent manufacturer, tech or luthier would ever file grooves into a zero fret to lower the height." As for why they do it, please see here: http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/forum/Bass/acapella-17/438254- Am i the only person that reads the whole thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, dyerseve said: except that someone did state/claim "No decent manufacturer, tech or luthier would ever file grooves into a zero fret to lower the height." As for why they do it, please see here: http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/forum/Bass/acapella-17/438254- Am i the only person that reads the whole thread? Following the link you posted here's Sandberg's reply to the qustion of the grooved ZF: Quote Hi magnus! You are absolutely right, i could not explain it better. The guy from the magazine is wrong there. Chris slots the zero fret carefully in order to get the best possible action! The zero fret is higher than the others. So everything is fine. It is an extremely hard material so even changing the strings daily will not affect the zero fret! So, the reasoning i'm seeing here is that the ZF ie grooved to bring down the action to the best possible height. I'm sure the optimal height won't be the same for every string so i understand the point of the groves over a plain (smaller) fret but in that case i also see a point when other say that they might aswell have made it without the ZF and add a brass (or even steel) nut leveled to the optimal action... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineweasel Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 This baffled me for a while, and Sandberg don't really explain themselves with that statement, but I think their intention is that the vertical and lateral adjustments of the string are separated; the zero fret governs the height while the nut maintains string spacing. One could argue that it makes the setup simpler for the builder, but I can't see any benefit for the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I've Tweeted to Sandberg telling them about this thread, in the hope of getting their response to our comments. We can only hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, dyerseve said: except that someone did state/claim "No decent manufacturer, tech or luthier would ever file grooves into a zero fret to lower the height." As for why they do it, please see here: http://www.harmonycentral.com/forum/forum/Bass/acapella-17/438254- Am i the only person that reads the whole thread? one comment by one person who later says that no, they don't consider Sandberg a poor manufacturer... you're getting stuck in a feeling that was not intended by anyone here. Quote away at will... but it seems to me you're trying to find offence where none was intended. indeed. edit: and I read their reasoning... which still makes no sense to me. Is this a bit clearer now? Edited April 6, 2018 by mcnach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 2 hours ago, pineweasel said: This baffled me for a while, and Sandberg don't really explain themselves with that statement, but I think their intention is that the vertical and lateral adjustments of the string are separated; the zero fret governs the height while the nut maintains string spacing. One could argue that it makes the setup simpler for the builder, but I can't see any benefit for the player. But... that is eactly what every other zero fret guitar does: nut with slots, and then a zero fret adjusted for height. I see no need for a taller zero fret with grooves in it. I read the reason given, and if that's why they do it, fair enough, the result is good... but it seems to me an overengineered solution for a problem that doesn't exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyerseve Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, mcnach said: one comment by one person who later says that no, they don't consider Sandberg a poor manufacturer... you're getting stuck in a feeling that was not intended by anyone here. Quote away at will... but it seems to me you're trying to find offence where none was intended. indeed. edit: and I read their reasoning... which still makes no sense to me. Is this a bit clearer now? I was just trying to make you aware of the full facts as it seemed you either weren't aware of them especially with your comment about why Sandberg do what they do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 hours ago, dyerseve said: I was just trying to make you aware of the full facts as it seemed you either weren't aware of them especially with your comment about why Sandberg do what they do... but I did state that I read the explanation by Sandberg, with thanks, in a previous post... now who is not reading the thread? (I say this completely in jest, let's make it clear! Written language leaves so many nuances out and I hesitated before posting this in case it was taken too seriously... I fully mean that with a cheeky grin and as a joke ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyerseve Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 hours ago, mcnach said: but I did state that I read the explanation by Sandberg, with thanks, in a previous post... now who is not reading the thread? (I say this completely in jest, let's make it clear! Written language leaves so many nuances out and I hesitated before posting this in case it was taken too seriously... I fully mean that with a cheeky grin and as a joke ) No worries it's all good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FacStudio Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) On 31/03/2018 at 14:31, Manton Customs said: Sorry but that's not how it works. With a zero fret equipped instrument the correct height at the first fret is set by the height of the wire used for the zero fret. No decent manufacturer, tech or luthier would ever file grooves into a zero fret to lower the height. ‘Decent’ manufacturer! Well the majority of Sandberg users would agree they are decent. You’re showing your good old luthier snobbery there! Who are Manton Customs? Just curious! Edited May 13, 2018 by FacStudio Rethought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 Just Google it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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