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Could you perform your current role on a Squier Bass ?

Could you perform your current role on a Squier Bass ?  

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  1. 1. Could you perform your current role on a Squier Bass ?

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2 hours ago, Bluewine said:

You gotta be kidding me.

 

Nope, but it has nothing to do with disliking Fenders. She just prefers a certain bass that I already own for this particular act.  Yel_wink.gif

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18 minutes ago, Passinwind said:

Nope, but it has nothing to do with disliking Fenders. She just prefers a certain bass that I already own for this particular act.  Yel_wink.gif

I'm a Yankee and I've learned that culturally we're a bit different, so here goes;

You'd have to be paying me a lot if you want to dictate what bass I should be playing.

Blue

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8 hours ago, casapete said:

Fender surf.jpg

I have always liked that picture but it always struck me as a bit of an odd marketing ploy by Fender to advertise it's wares in relation to surfing long after the Beach Boys' surf music heyday and surfing music generally - although it is often perhaps associated with Fender instruments - the ad is late 70s/early 80s I think!! 

Unfortunately, as discussed many moons ago on this very forum Fender basses can't walk on water  - they unfortunately sink.

Anyway sorry for the interlude - back on topic 😀

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2 hours ago, Bluewine said:

I'm a Yankee and I've learned that culturally we're a bit different, so here goes;

You'd have to be paying me a lot if you want to dictate what bass I should be playing.

 

I've lived in the US all but one year of my life Blue, but yeah, from what I've seen the Midwest is very different from Washington and Oregon for sure. The J knockoff was a loaner and I also prefer the other bass in question in this context, so there's no issue there on my part. But the OP asked if my bandmates or audience would notice if I brought a Squier, and at least one clearly would. Anyone I play with on gigs typically gets to choose between the three that I own (one fretted 5, one fretless 4, and one EUB) and if they wanted a Fender-ish bass instead I would gladly let them buy or loan me one if it meant that much to them. Same for upright, which one band does currently provide for rehearsals. It's just a tool in my world, not a religious artifact.

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5 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

The people you play with get to choose?

From my three basses, yes. The 17 piece big band that I sub in prefers my fretless 4 to my EUB, for instance.

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Im currently gigging with my vintage v4 reissue p bass and i genuinely think its as good in the mix as any high end fender p bass - no one would ever know it wasnt a high end p bass - and its cheaper than a squier. I can do everything on it i need - low end power and high end clarity, very easy to play too and finished beatifully.

I could get a high end fender p but why would i? Id be paying £1000 for that headstock decal, not for anything else that would improve anything to my playing or band.

Each to their own though.

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1 hour ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

The people you play with get to choose?

Why not? I often take 2 or 3 basses to a gig or whatever and select the most suitable for the sound required by the band and will ask which they prefer. The band usually has an idea of the bass sound they want.

Obviously, the doesn't apply with people you play with week in week out, but with new bands. For example, I rehearsed with a band last week that I am gigging with this weekend (my first gig with them) and tried a Precision with flats and a Jazz with rounds, finger style and with a pick. We decided the best sound was the Precision with flats, but more top would help nail the sound they want, so I have re-strung the Jazz with flats for the gig.

It's not people 'telling what bass to play', it's just trying to help the band to achieve the sound that they want, and not just from the bass. In my regular blues band, the guitarist will sometime suggest that the drummer use a different snare, or tune a tom differently. We are all part of a band, and the overall sound is all that matters.

 

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1 hour ago, Passinwind said:

I've lived in the US all but one year of my life Blue, but yeah, from what I've seen the Midwest is very different from Washington and Oregon for sure. The J knockoff was a loaner and I also prefer the other bass in question in this context, so there's no issue there on my part. But the OP asked if my bandmates or audience would notice if I brought a Squier, and at least one clearly would. Anyone I play with on gigs typically gets to choose between the three that I own (one fretted 5, one fretless 4, and one EUB) and if they wanted a Fender-ish bass instead I would gladly let them buy or loan me one if it meant that much to them. Same for upright, which one band does currently provide for rehearsals. It's just a tool in my world, not a religious artifact.

I guess it would depend on the level of the band. If it was a super good paying band I guess I wouldn't mind.

Blue

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I've been in situations where I've offered (or could have offered) to use a different bass or an effect or a markedly different bunch of settings (eg back pickup, or big tone control changes). However in 100% of the cases so far, my first choice has been the right choice, in terms of myself producing the mose appropriate sound required for the situation. I appreciate that in a smaller group, it could be more "democratic" but in a larger group, its respected that everyone's an expert at their own instrument and will make those decisions. Its like an invisible/unwritten boundary you don't go over. I think in about 45 years so far, I've only once made a suggestion to another, which was for a trumpet player to take the mute out and play a bit louder, in a solo section.

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8 minutes ago, FinnDave said:

Why not? I often take 2 or 3 basses to a gig or whatever and select the most suitable for the sound required by the band and will ask which they prefer. The band usually has an idea of the bass sound they want.

Obviously, the doesn't apply with people you play with week in week out, but with new bands. For example, I rehearsed with a band last week that I am gigging with this weekend (my first gig with them) and tried a Precision with flats and a Jazz with rounds, finger style and with a pick. We decided the best sound was the Precision with flats, but more top would help nail the sound they want, so I have re-strung the Jazz with flats for the gig.

It's not people 'telling what bass to play', it's just trying to help the band to achieve the sound that they want, and not just from the bass. In my regular blues band, the guitarist will sometime suggest that the drummer use a different snare, or tune a tom differently. We are all part of a band, and the overall sound is all that matters.

 

Makes sense Dave.

I guess I was thinking about my band. We just don't pay that much attention to those kinds of details. We should but we don't.

Blue

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3 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:

in a larger group, its respected that everyone's an expert at their own instrument and will make those decisions. 

Come to think of it I am pretty good at making those decisions.

Blue 

 

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I'm not averse to making suggestions to other band members, either, it is a two way process. In one band, I often ask the guitarist to turn up (yeah, hard to to believe!) and am always asking the harmonica player to turn his amp down. Or preferably off!

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2 hours ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

The people you play with get to choose?

 

I get to choose who I play with ;)

 

now seriously... I've commented on the choice of guitar of some of the guitarists I play with (the strat was better than the Les Paul for our music, I thought) and they sometimes have commented on particular basses I may have tried... but the final choice always rests with the player.

However, this could be different if I join a band where there's a clear leader in charge of the band's direction and sound. If I show up and he says "something like a Precision would be better suited than your Stingray for this", or he prefers a fretless or whatever... then I'd be listening, because the goal is making music, not for me to play an individual instrument. 

I guess what it boils down to is whether the band sound is decided collectively or there's one person in charge.

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5 hours ago, Bluewine said:

I'm a Yankee and I've learned that culturally we're a bit different, so here goes;

You'd have to be paying me a lot if you want to dictate what bass I should be playing.

Blue

That is one area where there is no cultural difference. Tonight I think I will play my checkered iceman bass!

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To me I'd say the limitation is within the player rather than the Squier if they physically or more likely mentally could not perform a piece on a like for like bass ie a four string jazz bass. 

Of course there will be nuisances that are different but only in the same way there would be between a USA Fender and a Sadowsky, Sadowsky and Lakland etc

 

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1 hour ago, FinnDave said:

Why not? I often take 2 or 3 basses to a gig or whatever and select the most suitable for the sound required by the band and will ask which they prefer. The band usually has an idea of the bass sound they want.

Obviously, the doesn't apply with people you play with week in week out, but with new bands. For example, I rehearsed with a band last week that I am gigging with this weekend (my first gig with them) and tried a Precision with flats and a Jazz with rounds, finger style and with a pick. We decided the best sound was the Precision with flats, but more top would help nail the sound they want, so I have re-strung the Jazz with flats for the gig.

It's not people 'telling what bass to play', it's just trying to help the band to achieve the sound that they want, and not just from the bass. In my regular blues band, the guitarist will sometime suggest that the drummer use a different snare, or tune a tom differently. We are all part of a band, and the overall sound is all that matters.

 

Obviously there has to balance for the good of the whole, but unless I’m a hired gun to achieve a specific sound for a production, I’ll be the judge of which bass I use.

I did have one band member keep raving on about a particular bass I had and how good it sounded and I was happy to keep using it for him. Slightly different tho I think.

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Other members of the band are often in a better position to hear how the bass fits in with rest of the band than I am, stuck in front of my amp and inches away from the drums. And if anyone says I should move, you obviously haven't played some of the tiny stages I have!

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1 hour ago, FinnDave said:

I'm not averse to making suggestions to other band members, either, it is a two way process. In one band, I often ask the guitarist to turn up (yeah, hard to to believe!) and am always asking the harmonica player to turn his amp down. Or preferably off!

I have asked the guitarist several times to pour petrol over his orange combo and set fire to it. Still hasn't happened!

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Just now, FinnDave said:

Other members of the band are often in a better position to hear how the bass fits in with rest of the band than I am, stuck in front of my amp and inches away from the drums. And if anyone says I should move, you obviously haven't played some of the tiny stages I have!

When we are setting up, I go right out the front and listen (as I am wireless), makes things easier.

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Just now, Woodinblack said:

I have asked the guitarist several times to pour petrol over his orange combo and set fire to it. Still hasn't happened!

I have also asked the harp player to relocate his amp as it would sound better. Preferably somewhere several miles away!

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1 minute ago, Woodinblack said:

When we are setting up, I go right out the front and listen (as I am wireless), makes things easier.

Not something we can do at most of the pubs we play in. I'm playing at a proper music venue on Sunday, we will have a full soundcheck before the audience are around, different game altogether then. 

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2 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

When we are setting up, I go right out the front and listen (as I am wireless), makes things easier.

Ditto. Go for a proper walkabout in the venue during soundcheck. Love my wireless.

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