Bluewine Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 No need for a lot if discussion, I'm merely curious. On BC I've heard some say they don't like pub gigs and the blame at times has gone to drunken patrons. I've always been detached from this notion because I don't see drunken out of control patrons. In the States a DUI (driving under the influence) will cost you a minimum of 10 grand. This is why we might not see as much of this painful behavior as you might see in other countries, I'm not sure. What is the consequence of a DUI conviction in the UK? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Pathetic fine and a one year ban so not a lot really. Also the UK is much smaller so many people walk or use public transport. Plus a car can hold five people so plenty of space for drunk punters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Bluewine said: No need for a lot if discussion, I'm merely curious. On BC I've heard some say they don't like pub gigs and the blame at times has gone to drunken patrons. I've always been detached from this notion because I don't see drunken out of control patrons. In the States a DUI (driving under the influence) will cost you a minimum of 10 grand. This is why we might not see as much of this painful behavior as you might see in other countries, I'm not sure. What is the consequence of a DUI conviction in the UK? Blue When I lived in the US I saw drunken patrons too... (maybe not as much...). There is walking (I know, crazy, eh?), and when distances too long there are taxis. I don't know anybody here who relies on their own car for 'nights out in town'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 British government website https://www.gov.uk/drink-driving-penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 The consequences of driving under the influence depend on firstly whether you get caught, and secondly what happened while you were driving under the influence. If you crash, cause an accident or do something truly horrific you will absolutely have the book thrown at you. And deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Ant McPartlin arrested over suspected drink drink car crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, uk_lefty said: The consequences of driving under the influence depend on firstly whether you get caught, and secondly what happened while you were driving under the influence. If you crash, cause an accident or do something truly horrific you will absolutely have the book thrown at you. And deservedly so. The book, really? I'd advise anyone with murder in mind to get drunk and run them over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmanb Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 11 hours ago, Bluewine said: No need for a lot if discussion, I'm merely curious. On BC I've heard some say they don't like pub gigs and the blame at times has gone to drunken patrons. I've always been detached from this notion because I don't see drunken out of control patrons. In the States a DUI (driving under the influence) will cost you a minimum of 10 grand. This is why we might not see as much of this painful behavior as you might see in other countries, I'm not sure. What is the consequence of a DUI conviction in the UK? Blue Pubs are called "locals because they are at the end of streets usually.Drink driving still goes on but 90% of a busy bar are walking or taxi home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmanb Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Main problem is playing to punters 5 foot in front of you with various trip hazards while they pogo or headbang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I know a lot of people don't agree but our first paying gig of the year pays for our public liability insurance and I carry out PAT testing on all our kit, at least we look responsible in the event of an incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, stingrayPete1977 said: I know a lot of people don't agree but our first paying gig of the year pays for our public liability insurance and I carry out PAT testing on all our kit, at least we look responsible in the event of an incident. Frankly, there's some punters who should be required to take out public liability insurance. The most obnoxious drunk I encountered didn't need to drive because he lived about 200 yds from a working mens' club we used to play. He'd storm around in front of the stage apron (about chest height), screaming and shouting. Then he'd try to climb on stage, get halfway up, fall off and land on a table. This being a regular occurrence, we'd advise audience members to move their drinks as soon as he appeared. The great thing was, he'd manage to fall off the stage all on his own. I never once had to stand on his fingers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I agree 100%, we had some 50 year old coke heads at our gig on Saturday, they think they are great and providing the entertainment, they're not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Best one yet was the drunk lady a couple of NYEs ago who stood right in front of the band and told the harmonica player: "This would be a great band if you weren't in it" - I nearly piffed myself laughing at that, then complained she couldn't find her handbag - it was between her feet - then decided we weren't starting another song quickly enough and shouted "Come on, lets go - 1, 2, 3,4, er....5" We still use that now at rehearsals and it makes us laugh every time (yes, if we were doing White Room or some such it would be correct but we weren't). She then almost fell over and was gently escorted away by someone. Never saw her for the rest of the evening. Then, there is the guy known as "Singing George" who is always completely rattted and is the scourge of the open mic scene where he lives as he insists on performing some endless ode or tone-poem with four hundred verses. Goes on forever and won't stop no matter what. Boring as $$it and he's a big obstreperous git to boot. He gets "over friendly" with women as well and tends to get removed by the door staff pretty quick on music nights before any real trouble starts. He's a complete pain in the rear. I think he is actually banned from most of the music venues now as I haven't seen him for a while. Edited March 19, 2018 by phil.c60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, phil.c60 said: the drunk lady ... who stood right in front of the band and told the harmonica player: "This would be a great band if you weren't in it" That ^ sparked a memory. One time this middle-aged drunk came up to me after a gig: "Yer a brilliant band, mate, play me birfday party, mate, give yer a grand for it, mate, but yer'll have to get shot of your singer first, mate, birfday party, give yer a grand, mate, I'll be the singer, mate". Just pitiful. Edited March 19, 2018 by skankdelvar speling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 hours ago, uk_lefty said: The consequences of driving under the influence depend on firstly whether you get caught, and secondly what happened while you were driving under the influence. If you crash, cause an accident or do something truly horrific you will absolutely have the book thrown at you. And deservedly so. I mentioned a 10 grand minimum for a DUi. That's what you get if your pulled over and you fail the breath test. You don't have to be drunk, a couple of beers can cost 10 grand after fines, penalties, legal fees, breathalyzer equipment installed and uninstalled in your car. All these things can cause getting to work difficult and you can get fired.Not unusual at all. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, phil.c60 said: Best one yet was the drunk lady a couple of NYEs ago who stood right in front of the band and told the harmonica player: "This would be a great band if you weren't in it" - To be fair, I can think of several bands with harmonica players that could apply to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, phil.c60 said: Best one yet was the drunk lady a couple of NYEs ago who stood right in front of the band and told the harmonica player: "This would be a great band if you weren't in it" Was it his wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzbass Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 yes but in the USA the legal limit is 0.08 or even 0.10 I think? in Oz it's 0.05, and our beer is usually stronger so we can't even have more than a couple of beers in a night really kills the enjoyment of playing out, can't drink, can't toke, rock and roll ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I’ve been playing pubs for many years and luckily I’ve witnessed very few unsavoury events. If you play pubs where you are literally eyeball to eyeball with the punters there is always a risk of mic stands being knocked, beer being spilled etc. Comes with the territory, if I didn’t like it I wouldn’t play those kind of gigs. Personally they’re my favourite gigs to play. We’ve had a few incidents where alcohol has energised certain crowd members, not least a few weeks ago where a couple of young ladies who’d had a few decided to stand alongside us and play air guitar; you could say that they had no right ‘invading our space’ but it was good fun, it got all their friends down the front, no harm done. My two favourites were a middle aged, rather attractive lady who came to see us a number of times; we haven’t seen her for a while now but she would stand right in front of our singer, maintain eye contact and dance seductively. We’d be desperately trying to keep from cracking up as he found her so off putting. The other one was a Northern Irish squaddie who kept shouting for us to do Metallica a couple of years ago, whilst his lovely and sober girlfriend looked on horrified. He collared me at the half time break and kept telling me how much he loved Metallica, and that he’d teach me all their bass lines ‘if you want me too, mate’. He then proceeded to attempt to break dance later on before falling backwards over a table, taking everyone’s drinks with him. Last seen being carried out by the door staff. As amusing as that kind of behaviour can be at the time, it’s actually pretty sad that people can get into that state. Pubs have door staff and security now so although people get drunk it’s generally good natured, and any sniff of trouble is dealt with quickly. Attitudes seem to have changed too, people are more chilled these days. I remember when the town centre pubs in Banbury didn’t have door staff, things would and did get ugly frequently, to the point that a lot of people stopped going out, me included. Different times; it was the eighties, lager, football fans etc. Things are better now, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Bluewine said: I mentioned a 10 grand minimum for a DUi. That's what you get if your pulled over and you fail the breath test. You don't have to be drunk, a couple of beers can cost 10 grand after fines, penalties, legal fees, breathalyzer equipment installed and uninstalled in your car. All these things can cause getting to work difficult and you can get fired.Not unusual at all. Blue People usually stay close to home when they go out drinking. The pub culture in the UK is very much about walking or getting a taxi home. Drink driving has become socially unacceptable (it wasn’t always...). I don’t know anyone who would consider, even fleetingly, driving home after a night on the sauce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 My favourite was at a gig in the centre of Swindon a couple of years ago, when a totally drunk/stoned/whatever punter climbed onto the low stage and attempted to talk to each of us in turn while we were playing. He then slipped trying to get back off the stage, hit his head against a wall and lay there motionless while we played on. Security fetched the police in and we were asked to stop when we'd finished the next song. Bloke was carried out and sent away with suspected concussion in an ambulance. And why was he on the stage trying to talk to us? Turns out he wanted to buy us all a drink so was trying to find out what we wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, PaulGibsonBass said: People usually stay close to home when they go out drinking. The pub culture in the UK is very much about walking or getting a taxi home. Drink driving has become socially unacceptable (it wasn’t always...). I don’t know anyone who would consider, even fleetingly, driving home after a night on the sauce. Maybe not in Banbury, but down this part of rural Oxfordshire, I know several people who drive home when they are incapable of walking to their cars! My wife insists on collecting me from the local these days as she is worried about me accepting a lift from a well-meaning but paralytic neighbour. One local farmer, who shall remain nameless, but anyone around here would know who I mean, used to turn up at the pub in his Landy, leave the door open and the engine running, come in and have a couple of large vodkas in a half pint glass topped up with cider, neck it, then either have another or drive to the next pub. Lovely bloke, but you wouldn't want to be on the same road as him! He stopped doing that after the inevitable ban, uses a bicycle now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 hours ago, uk_lefty said: Was it his wife? That really did make me laugh out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, PaulGibsonBass said: We’ve had a few incidents where alcohol has energised certain crowd members, not least a few weeks ago where a couple of young ladies who’d had a few decided to stand alongside us and play air guitar; you could say that they had no right ‘invading our space’ but it was good fun, it got all their friends down the front, no harm done. We had some 20-something girls like that at a gig last year - one appeared in front of us with a tray of shots and tried to persuade the guitarist to take one as she passed, without understanding that he sort of had his hands full at the time! They were great - made the whole evening as it was a birthday night out for them. They were just the right amount of drunk, if you know what I mean. Lively but not a nuisance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casapete Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's a fine line with drunken punters - can help make an evening, can help ruin it too. I do a small pub every week with my acoustic duo. Usually a nice evening, middle aged punters enjoying a few drinks and a laugh. Just every now and then a drunken nutter comes in and intimidates punters by staring at them and generally being a kn*b. He's a mate of the owners, so doesn't get ejected. Once he's up to his antics the whole mood of the evening changes, often for the rest of the night. Hopefully soon somebody will tw*t him when they've had enough of his behaviour. I've mentioned it to the owners, but they don't seem to care that he's potentially harming their/our business. 59 minutes ago, phil.c60 said: They were just the right amount of drunk, if you know what I mean. Lively but not a nuisance. That's what is best, usually for both the band and audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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