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My Trace has nearly killed me! So looking at a new setup - advice please!

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So... I have to finally admit that my delicious 1980s Trace Elliot 4x10 GP12 combo is far too heavy for me!  So I have been considering getting separate head and cab so at least I can lift it in the car.  I have my head pretty much sorted but in terms of cabs, I have the chance of a Marshall MBC115 cab for 100 quid.  Anyone got any experience of these?  Decent price?  Its in my budget, but was wondering if I should also be pairing a 2x10 with it as well.  Or should I steer clear?  Comments?  Any help or advice much appreciated!

 

Cheers


Sean

 

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Well if you are looking to go light the Marshall isn't helping that much at 32Kg.

Also it is a 4 Ohm Cab so mixing it with a 2 x10 would mean another 4 Ohm Cab and an amp head that would cope with a 2 Ohm load.

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Try a modern class D combo, if you're not hung up on all tube, lots of good ones to choose from. (imo)

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Pair of BFM Omni 10.5 cabs in the FS section for £210:


Won't get a better deal than that if you want lightweight, great sounding cabs.

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I have a TE rig and love it but have just forked put for a couple of second hand barefaced cabs. They aren’t cheap but the difference is weight is crazy, the sound is stunning as well which is all important. I bought them as second kit for the gigs up twenty flights of stairs or parking a mile away but think they will end up being my go to kit, so much so that I am whipping the head out my combo to run them off (can’t lose that TE sound altogether). One barefaced compact cab should do you compared to the ones you suggest.

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The MBC115 is a decent enough cab, but is fairly heavy, and is much more low-end focused than a TE 410 - when I used mine as a standalone you could feel the notes but not necessarily hear them that well in the mix, even with highs and mids upped considerably on my amp.

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If you're happy with the sound from the Trace Elliot, why not use it? Whip the head out and get yourself a 2u/4u rack case for it to live in. This'll weigh about 15lbs - an easy 1 hand lift/carry.

The choice of lightweight cabs to match with the head is extensive - personally I'd look at Vanderkleys but you'll get as many recommendations as there are members here.

BTW if you're looking for something to try to kill you, get a puppy. Mine leaves her balls and toys everywhere trying to trip me up - if I don't contribute for a few days you'll know she got me...

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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.  Some interesting stuff there - I had previously considered pulling the head out of the TE combo and racking it, but its an awesome amp and its a shame to knacker it - but I could still be tempted...

Also yeah I noticed the MBC115 was 32Kg - which is still 15Kg lighter than my Trace - but yes I agree its probably still going to be a struggle in the long term.

I'll take a look at the cabs you guys mentioned and see what fits my budget, but once again thanks for all your suggestions

Cheers

Sean

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If you do decide to whip the head out and use it with a different cab, just watch out for the head width before ordering a 2u case. Those 4x10 combos had wider amps than the normal 19inch jobbies. Something like 23 inch iirc to match the width of a typical 4x10 setup.

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You can dance around this as much as you want, but if weight is starting to bother you that won't go away.

2 new light weight cabs is the right way to go.

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