mcnach Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mcgiver69 said: Tell me bloody about it, I got some funny stories of my travels to Venezuela, Mexico and Puerto Rico with some normally innocent words that mean something sexual in those countries it's ALWAYS something sexual, isn't it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Yes is it Venezuela that is said to speak the best 'Spanish'? es muy dificil para me, yo naci en Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgiver69 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, mcnach said: Well... interesting that you say that, because... in South America they have sometimes preserved a lot of words and phrases that in Spain we have either lost or "corrupted" into something else... so sometimes you could argue that there's a lot of "proper Spanish" on the other side of the Atlantic. As I said... it's a jungle. Actually Peruvians & Colombian have the closest to what is considered classic spanish, the same can't be said about my natal dominican republic. SMH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgiver69 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, mcnach said: it's ALWAYS something sexual, isn't it??? Yes but when they turn spoon into vagina there's no winning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) - Edited February 25, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mcgiver69 said: Yes but when they turn spoon into vagina there's no winning. what??? but... how???? !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgiver69 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, mcnach said: what??? but... how???? !!! That's not the words, it happened to me in Venezuela where a friend invited me to dinner with his family and at the table I asked his youngest sister if I could have a spoon and suddenly a deafening silence and after receiving what seem like an eternity of stares I asked if I said something wrong... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mcgiver69 said: That's not the words, it happened to me in Venezuela where a friend invited me to dinner with his family and at the table I asked his youngest sister if I could have a spoon and suddenly a deafening silence and after receiving what seem like an eternity of stares I asked if I said something wrong... lesson learnt... in Venezuela, use a fork for soup if you must... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mcgiver69 said: That's not the words, it happened to me in Venezuela where a friend invited me to dinner with his family and at the table I asked his youngest sister if I could have a spoon and suddenly a deafening silence and after receiving what seem like an eternity of stares I asked if I said something wrong... Would that have been before or after you showed her your teddy bear's cotton wool balls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Apparently, Radiohead are not suing, at least by the very definition of the term http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42633115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 A cynical ploy by the artist, her record label and publisher to generate publicity and get more people to listen to the song and therefore make up for the loss of royalties that will ultimately happen when this matter is finally settled? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 @BigRedX That would not surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/10/radiohead-rebut-lana-del-rey-get-free-plagiarism-lawsuit-claims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, ambient said: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/10/radiohead-rebut-lana-del-rey-get-free-plagiarism-lawsuit-claims As I said in my post above... The track in question has not been officially released as a single. As a download it scraped into the lower reaches of the US top 50 last year (I don't know what that actually means in terms of actual sales). In the days before streaming and downloading on the internet, in the UK, something like this might possibly have generated a short news item on Radio One, and a couple of column inches in the weekly music press, and that would have been it. The publicity would have generated little additional airplay or record sales. However, I suspect that almost everyone taking part in this thread has had a listen to the Lana del Rey song in question on Spotify, and we're by far not the only ones who will have checked it out from curiosity. Spotify might not pay a lot for a single listen, but they all add up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 An interesting development for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 There are a finite number of combinations of chord and note progressions, time signatures, timbres etc etc and with the zillions of tunes that have been knocking around the planet over the centuries it's inevitable many of them will sound similar to eachother at least in part. Unless there are clear cases of one act lifting a sample from another's song without permission I dunno why bands waste time and money pursuing copyright infringement cases. In this case as Radiohead admitted to copying some of the Hollies tune they've got no case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said: In this case as Radiohead admitted to copying some of the Hollies tune they've got no case Actually I rather think they have (should they decide to pursue it - not clear in the light of today's developments). Radiohead got round their problem by acknowledging the writers of 'Air That I Breathe' (who by the way were not members of the Hollies - since it was originally written by Albert Hammond and Mike Hazlewood and recorded by Hammond in 1972, the Hollies' 1974 version was technically a cover; in fact it wasn't even the first - Phil Everly recorded it in 1973) on the writing credits and agreeing 40% of the royalties for the song. I see no reason why a similar deal would not be done in this case. Establishing who gets what could get interesting, but even so... Fact is that in the light of today's statement, it now appears that it is Del Ray (presumably with her publishing company backing her) who is making all the noise in this case. The cynics among us are now starting to ask why that is happening. Thinking about it a bit further, Hammond and the Hazlewood estate might now see another copyright action in their future. I wonder if Ms. Del Ray might have been better advised to keep a lower profile... Edited January 10, 2018 by leftybassman392 added information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) I wonder if now might be a good time for this: Albert Hammond 1972 Phil Everly 1973 The Hollies 1974 Radiohead 1994 K.D. Lang 1997 Lana Del Ray 2017 Not trying to make any sort of point here - I just thought it would be interesting to document some of the history of the chord sequence. FWIW if I could only have one of these it would probably be the Phil Everly version. Or possibly K.D. Lang. Edited January 10, 2018 by leftybassman392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said: There are a finite number of combinations of chord and note progressions, time signatures, timbres etc etc and with the zillions of tunes that have been knocking around the planet over the centuries it's inevitable many of them will sound similar to eachother at least in part. But even the vocal line is near identical to that in Creep... unlike the other 'versions'. Edited January 10, 2018 by mcnach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, leftybassman392 said: Thinking about it a bit further, Hammond and the Hazlewood estate might now see another copyright action in their future. I wonder if Ms. Del Ray might have been better advised to keep a lower profile... I don't think so. The Hammond and Halewood claim is based on the middle 8 section of Creep, while the Lana del Rey song takes from the verses which AFAICS are original to Radiohead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linear Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) It's virtually the same song, in my opinion. It's not just the chords, but also the vocal phrasing, the cadence and feel - not that I know if those are of any legal significance. I did wonder how this could have gone out, given the numerous people involved in its production who would have been well aware of the issue. Edited January 10, 2018 by linear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, BigRedX said: The Hammond and Halewood claim is based on the middle 8 section of Creep... Do you have a link for that by any chance? I don't doubt you're correct, but it would be interesting to see it in print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 18 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said: But she just put the words together. and the music... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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