Telebass Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Noticed on another thread that someone didn't use open strings, for him because if damping issues. I'm a user of open strings. I see no reason why not, although apparently Phil Lesh always thought it an abomination - never really understood why. I certainly do NOT agree with the "nut and frets sound different " argument. In a band context it would be all but impossible to ever tell, and difficult anyway. Let's hear it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I use open strings, but usually only if the next note played is fretted on that string or is on the string below ie on the A string after an open E so that it's easily damped as my finger comes through from plucking the next note. It seems to be necessary for me in order to get the right note lengths/values on an open string, not just leaving it ringing away. Probably due to poor technique on my part. I appreciate that you may not hear that when the band is going full chat, but as most people learn stuff at home on their own I find it just doesn't sound right to me with open strings ringing, and I play it how I learn it! Well, mostly anyway . I should add that I'm a finger player with flats. If you're a pick player with rounds it may be different. That may be the sound you actually want or like! Edited November 21, 2017 by phil.c60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 There is negligible difference in tone between open or fingered note. The reason to avoid open strings is when it comes to transposing: Far easier to transpose a riff/lick/line etc if all notes are fingered. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'd say in most live contexts, it won't make any difference. In the studio it can make a significant difference, depending on the sound of the bass/player/amp/effects/bassline but then in the studio you can just drop in with the fretted note if it's a difficult jump to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I never really saw this as an either/or thing ... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Entirely depends on what I am playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I try to avoid open strings wherever possible as I don’t like the sound of them. That said my metal band uses open strings a LOT. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JellyKnees Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Why would anyone not use all the tonal variations and fingering possibilities that are available to you? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNkShUi Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Whatever works best for what i'm playing. Im not either/or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) I tend to play open strings as often as I can depending on the song and the position of my left hand on the neck. But I have nerve damage in my left arm so the fewer fretted notes I can play the less fatigued my left hand becomes. Needs must and all that. Edited November 22, 2017 by Osiris Typo! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivansc Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I love open strings even to the extent of doing naughty double bass playerly cheats and playing an open A "en passant" in key of Eb. If you are quick & smooth you can get away with it and on a walking line it makes all the difference. What I DO find myself still doing is trying to play as much as possible on the two low strings of my P bass! Still find mine and most others I have played wimp out on the D and A strings if you arent careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Open Strings: Does it Djent. Pretty much always 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 In seriousness though, it can depend on the part. 16th notes at say 140bpm can be taxing and a position change involving an open string can be very handy It's been a while since I've needed to do that but I'm expecting an album release next month where I'll need to start relearning some of those moves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) G# (13th fret), open E = Double stop. A lovely sound. Then add a D at the 12th fret on the D string, a nice D7 shell. Then of course, all the variations. Open strings are gorgeous for chordal pieces. Fast chromatic runs down low, the open strings can be invaluable and at high tempo, the difference in tone wouldn’t be noticeable. What about tunes played on a four string when a low E is needed? You have no other option, unless you retune. Open strings are part of the Bass gig. At some point in your life, for some reason, there will be a need for an open string, even if it is just for tuning up. Edited November 21, 2017 by lowdown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Open A for me on Whole Lotta Rosie, much easier than going from the fretted 5th fret on the E string and back like a lot of players do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I use open strings as passing tones. Prefer to play A on a 5th fret than an open note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebigyin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Use open strings a lot to be honest i play a lot around the first 4 frets so find it natural to play them....when I first started playing i never or rarely used open strings but has i developed a certain style i found using them useful....especially in the keys of E and A or keys of G and C playing 12 bar bluesy stuff and walking Basslines ect....or in F# for some 2nd fret funky stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I use open strings mainly for hammer ons up the neck. I also like to use an open D string as a drone while playing a little melody line up on the top of the G string over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Per above really. I use them when I have to, or it makes sense to do so. A couple of my basses have zero frets but in all honesty I can't hear a great deal of difference. None at all in a live band situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Steve Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 i'll use them or not use them depending on the note and the song. Sometimes it has to be done because of positioning for the other notes being played, and hitting the open note is much easier than the fretted one; sometimes it's a tonal thing where an open string doesn't sound right compared to a fretted note on a lower string (and vice versa - sometimes the open string will have the required tone) and sometimes I'll have worked out the bass line in one position and it simply doesn't occur to me to play it somewhere else on the neck I don't understand the "it always/never sounds right" attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 hours ago, paul_5 said: I try to avoid open strings wherever possible as I don’t like the sound of them. That said my metal band uses open strings a LOT. ? The original bassist in Saxon, played open as much as possible, so the other hand could be held aloft in rock salute! \m/ ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, MacDaddy said: The original bassist in Saxon, played open as much as possible, so the other hand could be held aloft in rock salute! \m/ ? Just had a great idea! Seven string, tuned to the major scale. Capo to change key*. maximum salutage per notes! \m/ *and you’d only need about five frets for classic rock lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, dood said: Just had a great idea! Seven string, tuned to the major scale. Capo to change key*. maximum salutage per notes! \m/ *and you’d only need about five frets for classic rock lol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Try playing either of these (no nasty Adam Clayton comments please!) without using open strings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Open string notes are four notes (or more) that are available in all positions. I don't understand why one would never use them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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