CameronJ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Frank Blank said: Oh dear... Went in to PMT Southend , paid for three hours parking and wandered into the shop expecting a lengthy, soul searching wrangle with the issue of going over to the RnR killing dark side that is an FRFR setup. The excellent staff there set up a QSC K12.2, set it to the bass amp preset, I plugged my bass into my Fishman Platinum, set everything at 12 O/C so I had the flattest sound possible and started playing. It took twelve minutes to see the light fully and six of those were just waiting for the assistant to return. So I am putting two basses and my AER Basic Performer up for sale and as soon as I've shifted the AER this will be my new setup... Good work! And a very handsome Mouse you have there sir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, CameronJ said: Good work! And a very handsome Mouse you have there sir. It always looks plush after a hearty breakfast of cheese. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) @Frank Blank looks like you’re going to end up in profit once the AER sells! Edited December 14, 2018 by CameronJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, CameronJ said: @Frank Blank looks like you’re going to end up in profit once the AER sells! ? The K12.2 is £756 at PMT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Frank Blank said: ? The K12.2 is £756 at PMT. Oh. My bad 😂 somehow I thought it was cheaper! Edit: I must have been looking at K10.2 prices rather than the 12.2... Edited December 14, 2018 by CameronJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 13 hours ago, Frank Blank said: Oh dear... Went in to PMT Southend, paid for three hours parking and wandered into the shop expecting a lengthy, soul searching wrangle with the issue of going over to the RnR killing dark side that is an FRFR setup. The excellent staff there set up a QSC K12.2, set it to the bass amp preset, I plugged my bass into my Fishman Platinum, set everything at 12 O/C so I had the flattest sound possible and started playing. It took twelve minutes to see the light fully and six of those were just waiting for the assistant to return. So I am putting two basses and my AER Basic Performer up for sale and as soon as I've shifted the AER this will be my new setup... ...I didn't have to discuss anything with the shop assistant, I was fully prepared and armed with all the possible info, how simple it actually is to make the right decision when you have a huge 38 page thread like this that does all the arguing and comparison for you, all one has to do is go in, try it out and confirm it. This is exactly what makes Basschat a massively useful and important resource for its members. More rock n roll death. 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) I imagine a Rock 'n Roll fairy to look like an ethereal Steven Tyler but with large gossamer wings and, perhaps, his wand stuck in an elevator door. I think I may have killed such a RnR fairy this morning with the arrival at Chez Blank of a QSC K12.2... ...suffice to say a day of titting about ahoy. Edited December 18, 2018 by Frank Blank 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Frank Blank said: I imagine a Rock 'n Roll fairy to look like an ethereal Steven Tyler but with large gossamer wings and, perhaps, his wand stuck in an elevator door. I think I may have killed such a RnR fairy this morning with the arrival at Chez Blank of a QSC K12.2... ...suffice to say a day of titting about ahoy. Have fun. But don't make Rock n Roll's death too painful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Well the expected day-long titting about was actually about ten minutes grinning like an idiot and then getting a cuppa. Plugged the bass directly into Channel B, set it to the Bass Amp preset and behold... a rich warm full tone without any EQ. I didn't think the Rob Allen could sound any lovelier but, even through the AER, I'd obviously not been hearing it to it's full potential. As @Bridgehouse says in his initial post Channel B can be set to Line or Instrument but on the Instrument setting it is whompingly loud so I just left it on the Line setting. With the Rob Allen's on board volume up to about 75% and the QSC's Gain set at three (it goes up to twenty) it was plenty for home use, I put it on to the Instrument setting and by the time I had the QSC's gain up to five the room started to shake! I hope I'm not doing anything wrong by leaving it on the Line setting? Anyway, then I tried Rob Allen > Fishman Platinum Pro > QSC, bliss. As I said before, just bass direct into the QSC is the best tone I've ever got from anything, with the Fishman I can then tweak the best tone I've ever had from anything. I spent hours pouring over @Bridgehouse's Interesting FRFR thread and was pretty much convinced by the (mostly) learned and eloquent explanations and arguments, having tried the QSC K12.2 in the shop I was convinced enough to buy one, now I've actually got it home turns out it is your actual bona fide revelation. I have posted this pic on the Show Us Your Rig thread but it belongs here too, RnR killer that it is... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Beautiful. It just goes to show you the big disconnect between what is happening with regard to PA speakers and Bass cabs. For now, I can only see the only reason you'd want to go with a traditional bass cab, is for traditional looks. If you want to make your setup sound different, change what your pre is doing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: Beautiful. It just goes to show you the big disconnect between what is happening with regard to PA speakers and Bass cabs. For now, I can only see the only reason you'd want to go with a traditional bass cab, is for traditional looks. If you want to make your setup sound different, change what your pre is doing. Thank you! I totally agree. and thank you for your contributions to this thread, they've been a big part of seeing the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 My only worry now @Frank Blank is whether I should upgrade my 10 to a 12... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Bridgehouse said: My only worry now @Frank Blank is whether I should upgrade my 10 to a 12... Do you feel like your 10 is lacking at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Frank Blank said: Well the expected day-long titting about was actually about ten minutes grinning like an idiot and then getting a cuppa. Plugged the bass directly into Channel B, set it to the Bass Amp preset and behold... a rich warm full tone without any EQ. I didn't think the Rob Allen could sound any lovelier but, even through the AER, I'd obviously not been hearing it to it's full potential. As @Bridgehouse says in his initial post Channel B can be set to Line or Instrument but on the Instrument setting it is whompingly loud so I just left it on the Line setting. With the Rob Allen's on board volume up to about 75% and the QSC's Gain set at three (it goes up to twenty) it was plenty for home use, I put it on to the Instrument setting and by the time I had the QSC's gain up to five the room started to shake! I hope I'm not doing anything wrong by leaving it on the Line setting? Anyway, then I tried Rob Allen > Fishman Platinum Pro > QSC, bliss. As I said before, just bass direct into the QSC is the best tone I've ever got from anything, with the Fishman I can then tweak the best tone I've ever had from anything. I spent hours pouring over @Bridgehouse's Interesting FRFR thread and was pretty much convinced by the (mostly) learned and eloquent explanations and arguments, having tried the QSC K12.2 in the shop I was convinced enough to buy one, now I've actually got it home turns out it is your actual bona fide revelation. I have posted this pic on the Show Us Your Rig thread but it belongs here too, RnR killer that it is... Seeing the Rob Allen Mouse is a somewhat specialist bass, and because you’ve stuck that picture there, how does it sound with the Ibanez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said: My only worry now @Frank Blank is whether I should upgrade my 10 to a 12... Obviously you are welcome to try mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: Seeing the Rob Allen Mouse is a somewhat specialist bass, and because you’ve stuck that picture there, how does it sound with the Ibanez? It sounds great, you really get the feeling you are hearing how each bass actually sounds for the first time, the Ibanez was quieter than the mouse but bright and with far more articulation than I have heard before and that was with the on board eq flat and the pre flat too. With the SRC6s board eq and the Fishman... *head explodes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I think as the FRFR thread has progressed it has been the 12.2 that I found I kept coming back to even though I'd love the budget for the RCF NX45. The 12.2 seems to be in better reach. Then I saw this post (Sorry if you're not on instagram) Deal sealed if the above wasn't enough to go on!! Great work Basschat. This is why I love this forum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, CameronJ said: Do you feel like your 10 is lacking at all? No, but a 12 is two more innit... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Bridgehouse said: No, but a 12 is two more innit... Actually I think that’s the whole root of this FRFR vs trad bass rig thing, needing ‘a bigger one’ 😱. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, Frank Blank said: Actually I think that’s the whole root of this FRFR vs trad bass rig thing, needing ‘a bigger one’ 😱. Nobody said anything about size 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said: Nobody said anything about size 😂 You didn’t have to Sir, you didn’t have to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Dood said: I think as the FRFR thread has progressed it has been the 12.2 that I found I kept coming back to even though I'd love the budget for the RCF NX45. The 12.2 seems to be in better reach. Then I saw this post (Sorry if you're not on instagram) Deal sealed if the above wasn't enough to go on!! Great work Basschat. This is why I love this forum I agree totally, we are in good company there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Bit confused. Have I killed rock n roll or Motown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Walker said: Bit confused. Have I killed rock n roll or Motown? Both. You’re a serial killer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 53 minutes ago, Walker said: Bit confused. Have I killed rock n roll or Motown? No- Jameson used to go straight into the desk ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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