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wateroftyne

Duck Dunn in wrong note shocker?

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Listen to this from about 1m10s.

When it shifts into the middle eight, it goes minor, but Duck cracks on with the usual line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbj4u-6c0A

Whaddya fink?

Of course it's Duck, so I'm happy to accept that he's right, and everyone else is wrong :-)

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507808797' post='3388081']...Duck cracks on with the usual line....
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I don't agree; I hear the bass line change to follow the chords. Nowt out of kilter there, I say. :mellow:

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507809851' post='3388094']
Ahh.. it's jarring to me. I've just checked and he does it on the original, too.

It must just be me..
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Ha ha, there's a track on Street Legal by Dylan where the bass player plays a howler, it drives me crazy, but no-one else can hear it. Which of course means everyone else is just not as discerning as us :)

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I hear it- the 'sixth' step of the first chord of the mid 8 is played major, but 'ought' to be minor, right?

Or to put it more simply, the highest note of the phrase on that chord should be a semi-tone lower.

I'm saying this without a bass in my hands to check, but that's how it sounds to me.

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[quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1507810454' post='3388101']
I hear it- the 'sixth' step of the first chord of the mid 8 is played major, but 'ought' to be minor, right?

Or to put it more simply, the highest note of the phrase on that chord should be a semi-tone lower.

I'm saying this without a bass in my hands to check, but that's how it sounds to me.
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^^^ exactly!

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[quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1507810454' post='3388101']
I hear it- the 'sixth' step of the first chord of the mid 8 is played major, but 'ought' to be minor, right?

Or to put it more simply, the highest note of the phrase on that chord should be a semi-tone lower.

I'm saying this without a bass in my hands to check, but that's how it sounds to me.
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Is this at exactly 1m10s?

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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1507810874' post='3388107']
Is this at exactly 1m10s?
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No - 1m22s. I suggested listening from a bit earlier to get some context.

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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1507810874' post='3388107']
Is this at exactly 1m10s?
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No, everything is fine at 1.10 - Listen to the note at 1.22

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507808797' post='3388081']
Of course it's Duck, so I'm happy to accept that he's right, and everyone else is wrong :-)
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Carole Kaye told me she deliberately played the major 6th over the minor chord to create tension when she recorded this.

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Maybe Duck fancied a bit of a melodic minor line in there!

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[quote name='SubsonicSimpleton' timestamp='1507811580' post='3388118']
Carole Kaye told me she deliberately played the major 6th over the minor chord to create tension when she recorded this.
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Was the matter ever resolved?

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507811181' post='3388112']
No - 1m22s. I suggested listening from a bit earlier to get some context.
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If it's the note I think it is, doesn't he repeat it again afterwards? Still sounds fine to me though.

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Duck Dunn just about rescues crashing into the first chorus on Sam and Dave's Soul Man.

If the groove was good then the mistakes stayed. Time and tape was expensive back then and most bass lines "disappeared" when you played the record on your Dansette or listened to it on the car radio.

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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1507812525' post='3388134']
If it's the note I think it is, doesn't he repeat it again afterwards? Still sounds fine to me though.
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He does - it sounds wrong both times to me. ha ha.

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[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1507813599' post='3388141']
Duck Dunn just about rescues crashing into the first chorus on Sam and Dave's Soul Man.

If the groove was good then the mistakes stayed. Time and tape was expensive back then and most bass lines "disappeared" when you played the record on your Dansette or listened to it on the car radio.
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Absolutely.. it's intriguing he kept it for the BB2000 recording, though. He must have been pretty convinced by it.

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6345789. . . . It's the same line as on the original.

They tried to keep the same bass pattern running through the Middle 8 chord sequence. While it sounds OK to me, a different line could have sounded more "natural".

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It's wrong but it's also right (if that makes sense), anyway, who are we to question the mighty Duck.

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[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507813621' post='3388142']
He does - it sounds wrong both times to me. ha ha.
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Well, I'm at a time in my life when I've just had to concede that I need spectacles just to read that ridiculously small writing on food jars that they've shrunk even more over the last five years or so.

Perhaps I need a hearing aid as well 😬

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[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1507818961' post='3388194']
There's zero issue with playing a major 6th over a minor chord. It's absolutely normal. Lots more minor scales out there than Natural Minor/Aeolian ;-)
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Quite. :mellow:

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[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1507818961' post='3388194']
There's zero issue with playing a major 6th over a minor chord. It's absolutely normal. Lots more minor scales out there than Natural Minor/Aeolian ;-)
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Gah.. it sounds so wishy-washy to my ears.

I actually think he should have pedaled the root on the middle eight. It would have sounded so much better, and maybe the song might have been more of a commercial success.

;)

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