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[quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1505494552' post='3372404']
A large percentage of those 40K are there just so they can say they went. [/quote]

Doesn't matter why they were there, the 40k were there and they paid dearly.


Nothing is cool anymore. I've been told,"No,"it's you that isn't cool anymore. Your generation had they're time.Your all old now, and it's long over due that you should just get out of the way."

It's not a bad point.

Blue

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As mentioned in many of the posts the media are to blame for over-inflating a bands success. In the sixties they had the Beatles; The Fab Four, Britain's very own, media friendly in all their incarnations from mop tops to drug taking and they had longevity. They've been hyping every band since those cheeky Liverpool lads broke up.

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[quote name='blue' timestamp='1505525174' post='3372627']
Doesn't matter why they were there, the 40k were there and they paid dearly.


Nothing is cool anymore. I've been told,"No,"it's you that isn't cool anymore. Your generation had they're time.Your all old now, and it's long over due that you should just get out of the way."

It's not a bad point.

Blue
[/quote]When the topic is overrated bands the reason folks attend does matter.Very few of the audience paying big bucks will leave saying it was a poor gig.Nope it'll be " They were amazing," "so much energy" & "best show I've ever saw"

Which leads to the question. If a bunch of near 70 year olds is the best band you've saw, what other bands have you seen ?

I don't mind the "You're old and past it" thing from young folks. It's true :)

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[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1505301763' post='3370831']
Dare I suggest Bob Marley?
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IIRC you're a UB40 fan.
For a UB40 fan to say Bob Marley is overrated is just weird :D

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[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1505545108' post='3372662']
For a UB40 fan to say Bob Marley is overrated is [s]just weird[/s] [b]truly hilarious[/b]
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Fixed. :lol:

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[quote name='Cato' timestamp='1505244112' post='3370513']
Pretty much every band I've felt strongly enough about to hate I've come around to liking, or at least apreciating, in the end.

On the other hand, indifference lasts for ever.
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This may be the most profound thing I've ever read on here! My hat is off to you sir!

A

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[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1505395339' post='3371601']
If I could chose just an over rated album, then Paul Simon - Graceland . Pretentious rubbish
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How very dare you! Incredible album That was grounbreaking on different levels. Superb musicianship and bass playing is out of this world.
Not sure what's not to like?

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[quote name='Osiris' timestamp='1505281109' post='3370644']
Bruce Springsteen.
Second rate pub singer at best.
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Maybe you're being ironic, and maybe not... either way, Born in the USA was on the radio today, and it is a tedious 2-chord rant. Springsteen comes across as proselytising and didactic, but clearly didn't mind when middle America took his bile at face value, interpreted it as a nationalistic chest-bump, and lined his pockets. Plus his music is basically Meat Loaf without the humour or self awareness. All parping saxophones and heart-on-sleeve stuff from a guy pretending he works in a factory when he actually tours baseball stadiums.

Anyway, while I'm slaying sacred cows, Joy Division are okay but not brilliant. I'm enjoying Unknown Pleasures at the moment... but come on! People seem to think that music before and after Joy Division should be treated like two epochs. Plus girls seem to be wearing those Unknown Pleasures tops at the moment, so for an iconoclastic scorched-earth band they seem to have become the very thing they are meant to not be.

Ian Curtis was a morose individual. His lyrics as are morose and depressing and his delivery was morose and non-committal. A toneless and dead-eyed bellow. Peter Hook was a dreadful bassist. He still is. A lot of his pent up anger (which is now embarrassing because he's an old man) stems, I think, from just how unmusical he is. Deep down he knows he is a dreadful bassist, and he finds creative ways of channeling this anger into other things, even if it isn't much more than sh*t-talking about Bernard Sumner in every interview he can get. Beyond that droning two-string thing he came up with, he has pretty much no sense of dynamics, groove, rhythm. Bernard Sumner was barely better as a guitarist. Stephen Morris, however, was a brilliant drummer. A powerhouse and the metronome in the band, pinning up two sub-par musicians and a fairly crap singer. Joy Division benefited from having a weird, hollow, echoey and experimental mix.

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[quote name='Meddle' timestamp='1505589752' post='3373077']


Maybe you're being ironic, and maybe not... either way, Born in the USA was on the radio today, and it is a tedious 2-chord rant. Springsteen comes across as proselytising and didactic, but clearly didn't mind when middle America took his bile at face value, interpreted it as a nationalistic chest-bump, and lined his pockets. Plus his music is basically Meat Loaf without the humour or self awareness. All parping saxophones and heart-on-sleeve stuff from a guy pretending he works in a factory when he actually tours baseball stadiums.

Anyway, while I'm slaying sacred cows, Joy Division are okay but not brilliant. I'm enjoying Unknown Pleasures at the moment... but come on! People seem to think that music before and after Joy Division should be treated like two epochs. Plus girls seem to be wearing those Unknown Pleasures tops at the moment, so for an iconoclastic scorched-earth band they seem to have become the very thing they are meant to not be.

Ian Curtis was a morose individual. His lyrics as are morose and depressing and his delivery was morose and non-committal. A toneless and dead-eyed bellow. Peter Hook was a dreadful bassist. He still is. A lot of his pent up anger (which is now embarrassing because he's an old man) stems, I think, from just how unmusical he is. Deep down he knows he is a dreadful bassist, and he finds creative ways of channeling this anger into other things, even if it isn't much more than sh*t-talking about Bernard Sumner in every interview he can get. Beyond that droning two-string thing he came up with, he has pretty much no sense of dynamics, groove, rhythm. Bernard Sumner was barely better as a guitarist. Stephen Morris, however, was a brilliant drummer. A powerhouse and the metronome in the band, pinning up two sub-par musicians and a fairly crap singer. Joy Division benefited from having a weird, hollow, echoey and experimental mix.
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I'd agree more eloquently but I'm too busy applauding

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[quote name='DJpullchord' timestamp='1505635854' post='3373219']
Steely Dan.

Creepy Dad Rock!



It's all subjective though innit.
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Funny. I thought they're really underrated :-)

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[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1505635293' post='3373216']
Primus - sounds like total slop to me...
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You and me both. I've tried so hard to like them, but no. Les is supposed to be a bass wizard but i just can't hear it. It all sounds so... amateur.

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Whatever our individual and very subjective views are about all the band's mentioned in this thread, we're the ones doing all the talking about them - spending our time and/or our money listening to their music to decide whether or not we like what they do and whether they're overrated or underrated or not.

Meanwhile, the band's in question have absolutely no idea who we are, what our views are, whether we're good bass players/musicians or not, and what our opinions of them are. And they most likely never will.

Its pretty obvious who's in the better place, don't you think? 😉

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[quote name='DJpullchord' timestamp='1505635854' post='3373219']

It's all subjective though innit.
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It is.
Primus is the first band in this list I'd disagree with. For their unique sound and approach to making music they never really hit the charts big time or filled stadiums. How are they overrated?

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[quote name='silverfoxnik' timestamp='1505638274' post='3373233']
Whatever our individual and very subjective views are about all the band's mentioned in this thread, we're the ones doing all the talking about them - spending our time and/or our money listening to their music to decide whether or not we like what they do and whether they're overrated or underrated or not.

Meanwhile, the band's in question have absolutely no idea who we are, what our views are, whether we're good bass players/musicians or not, and what our opinions of them are. And they most likely never will.

Its pretty obvious who's in the better place, don't you think?
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Fair point Nik, and I guess the other thing you could add to that is that they're the ones out there making (or made) a successful living out of what they do (or did)...

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[quote name='Bolo' timestamp='1505643685' post='3373277']
It is.
Primus is the first band in this list I'd disagree with. For their unique sound and approach to making music they never really hit the charts big time or filled stadiums. How are they overrated?
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Just my 2p's worth - I've read a lot of people say how great they are but.... I just don't hear it. That being said, I didn't "get" The Beatles for years until I really listened to all their stuff from "Rubber Soul" onwards, and really appreciated how great (imo) they were.

Maybe Primus will have the same effect on me when I'm about 75 (if I live to be that age...)

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[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1505650751' post='3373328']
Fair point Nik, and I guess the other thing you could add to that is that they're the ones out there making (or made) a successful living out of what they do (or did)...
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Very true!

[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1505651167' post='3373333']
Just my 2p's worth - I've read a lot of people say how great they are but.... I just don't hear it. That being said, I didn't "get" The Beatles for years until I really listened to all their stuff from "Rubber Soul" onwards, and really appreciated how great (imo) they were.

Maybe Primus will have the same effect on me when I'm about 75 (if I live to be that age...)
[/quote]

Aren't Primus Les Claypool's band?

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[quote name='kodiakblair' timestamp='1505543233' post='3372652']
When the topic is overrated bands the reason folks attend does matter.Very few of the audience paying big bucks will leave saying it was a poor gig.Nope it'll be " They were amazing," "so much energy" & "best show I've ever saw"[/quote]

Me and another veteran bass player went to see The Stones 2 years ago here in Milwaukee. They completely botched up the timing on the intro to Honky Tonk Women. Somehow Mick drove them out of it.

I asked my friend how many people noticed their mistake. He said, " me and you".

I'm thinking he was probably right.

Blue

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[quote name='silverfoxnik' timestamp='1505638274' post='3373233']
Whatever our individual and very subjective views are about all the band's mentioned in this thread, we're the ones doing all the talking about them - spending our time and/or our money listening to their music to decide whether or not we like what they do and whether they're overrated or underrated or not.

Meanwhile, the band's in question have absolutely no idea who we are, what our views are, whether we're good bass players/musicians or not, and what our opinions of them are. And they most likely never will.

Its pretty obvious who's in the better place, don't you think?
[/quote]Right you lot, stop having opinions NOW!

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[quote name='louisthebass' timestamp='1505635293' post='3373216']
Primus - sounds like total slop to me...[/quote]

I listened to them a fair bit a few years back, and I never truly enjoyed them. They seem to try hard to be wacky and eccentric, with a focus on making mosh-friendly nerd metal of a sort. A lot of their tracks seem to be built along the same structure; some wierd angular off-kilter slap bass riff starts us off. This is then paired with pounding basic 4/4 metal drums, and the guitarist playing atonal and dissonant chords over the top. Then Les Claypool sings with that thinly nerdy hick voice, delivering some surreal monologue nasally. Then there is the big heavy mosh-friendly chorus.... repeat [i]ad nauseum.[/i] All just a bit self indulgent, and sometimes you want a proper bass tone and not something that sounds like popcorn being made in a massive metal drum. Les Claypool's voice is terrible. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a singling voice. It is terrible on all his weird self indulgent side projects (check out that crap with Sean Lennon or that other crap with Stewart Copeland). Primus' music, for me, is more a proof of concept than actual usable music. I've seen it compared to the work of Zappa and Rush, but it lacks the technical finesse and memorability of the latter and the daggers-out lampooning and compositional exquisiteness of the former.


I disagree with whoever claimed Steely Dan were an overrated band, as Steely Dan weren't a band at all; they were two dudes and a bunch of hired guns filling the ranks. A bit like Primus, I consider their music to be a proof-of-concept of sorts. The core members of Steely Dan managed the risk right out of their music by bringing in instrumentalists that would definitely get the job done. Why they ended up making music that sounds like it was exclusively for the Martha's Vineyard yachty set, while gently lampooning the exact same yachty set, is beyond me. Why write tunes that portray vulgar people in a slightly unflattering light, over and over again? Plus, I consider some of their best work (Peg and Do It Again spring to mind) as sort of annoying on repeated listening.

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[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1505475068' post='3372181']
I like a bit of flute or violin in a rock song, different kind of voice, can take the music in a different direction.
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+1 violin
Mahavishnu Orchestra
It's A Beautiful Day

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