Happy Jack Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Big, hard, shiny floor? Check. Conservatory-style roof made of hard, shiny glass? Check. Disco-ball from Hell suspended in front of the PA tops? Check. I really wouldn't want to play that place unless it was pretty full. The acoustics must be horrendous. Looks great, mind ... Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Lots of parallel surfaces. Check. You pretty much nailed it there - but lets not forget the hollow stage! Come to think of it, the support band may have sounded bigger due to the amount of reflections everywhere. Wooks- was the separation between instruments as distinct for both bands? Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Boooooom boooooom check 1-2 check 1-2!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBass Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) I've rarely seen a better case argued for using your ears rather than all this reductio ad absurdum. If you like the sound, buy it. If you don't like the sound, buy something else. If you want to score points, endlessly, boringly, repetitively, then analyse the sound to death using oh-so-clever graphs accompanied by casual put-downs ("I suspect not everyone will know how to read this ..."). Perhaps clutching a copy of this graph will somehow make your PA sound better in The Tickled Trout. I promise you it won't make a blind bit of difference in any pub I've ever played. I imagine that the RCFs sound great. I know the Barefaced RFs sound great. Lots of things sound great. Get over it. Applause. This is the perfect response. Just as an extra: the Barefaced are dead easy to transport and carry. Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Applause. This is the perfect response. Just as an extra: the Barefaced are dead easy to transport and carry. I'm pretty sure that has never been mentioned, so yeah, cool. Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Wooks - you may find these interesting... http://www.accugroovellc.com/venti From the guys that bought you the 4/8 ohm cab 20 Hz - 20 kHz (±0.5 dB) Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) This thread caught my interest, as it's regarding FRFR. As a Kemper user, I am keen to hear how the BF FR800 performs. Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) So, I have a Kemper and I have two FR800s on order. I'll let you know. Colour me interested. Looking to hear about the results. Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) So, I have a Kemper and I have two FR800s on order. I'll let you know. Ooof! That will be a serious rig Do you play in a band locally Jack? If so, I'd love to hear that some time Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Wooks - you may find these interesting... http://www.accugroovellc.com/venti From the guys that bought you the 4/8 ohm cab 20 Hz - 20 kHz (±0.5 dB) Just as an aside, those are the specs for the AMP, not the amp IN the cab. Look at the powered 21" sub, same specs. Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Ooof! That will be a serious rig Do you play in a band locally Jack? If so, I'd love to hear that some time Please do come to a show, I always like meeting basschatters! Just be kind and bear in mind that there is usually a severe inverse correlation between gear and talent... Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Please do come to a show, I always like meeting basschatters! Cheers - will try! Edited October 10, 2019 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitticcu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) Bump! First post from me on BassChat, I have bee reading quite a bit, but silently, so far 🙂 Sorry for reviving this topic! i am interested in a comparison between a system of 2xBarefaced FR800 + LF1400 and a system of 2xRCF ART 745-A Mk4 and SUB 905-AS II - or 8003-AS II. Has anybody tried them or suggest which one would be best as a BAS rig amplification? I have a Amp Head which I can use the full range output of to go into these powered systems. I have been reading a bit on the specs of both and they seem comparable, with the RCF having a better dispersion as frequency increases. Not sure about the low end. Impariamo though, on paper the LF1400 seems to go lower, but I have not seen graphs with frequency response. The RCF 8003-as ii is 18”, the 905-as II has I believe the same 15” as the RCF 745 speakers (but much larger enclosure and bass reflex). any thoughts on this? thanks a million! Edited October 10, 2019 by Pitticcu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitticcu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) I wrote the wrong RCF code (still confusing with the Mk x renaming!), it should be RCF ART 745-A Mk4! Another thing to point out is, of course, the BF Fr800 has 12” speaker, whereas the RCF 745-A Mk4 has 15”. Now from RCF specs it looks as they sort the beaming by lowering the crossover point of the compression driver to 650hz, to take advantage of its larger voice coil (4”). Apart from the obvious aesthetic considerations (the ART 745 are not exactly good looking in terms of Bass cabs!), which sometimes still bothers many of us (me included), any thoughts on the comparison for bass duties? I should also add that I will be experimenting with extended range (7-strings), so clarity at higher frequencies is nice 🙂 thanks again! Edited October 10, 2019 by Pitticcu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 @Dad3353, this looks like a really good 'old' thread. Would you mind working your magic to 'refresh' the earlier posts for us please? Thanks (again!) in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Al Krow said: ...Would you mind working your magic to 'refresh' the earlier posts for us please?... Done (but it's certainly not BC's finest. There's a right lot of old carp in there ...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitticcu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) I hope I do not cause any revamped friction! It is just a humble request for informed opinions and input from knowledgeable people 🙂 unfortunately I do not have the option to try any of them but what I am after is transparency, linearity and ability to handle low bass (drop A or at least the low B string). I saw that RCF drivers seem to be high quality (from specs in particular the Titanium compression driver with 4” v.c. seems a very good component, but of course one component on their own do not tell the whole story when you start looking at the whole system - I would be interested to know which model number are the 15” and 18” speakers because going through the parts list on RCF website there seem to be 15” neodymium speakers with the 3.5”v.c. Which can be linear only over a 6mm excursion, with 39mm excursion to damage - wondering how much power they can handle and also their thermal behaviour if driven hard, as well as how low they can go, although I suspect that depends on the porting as well...). thansk again folks! Edited October 10, 2019 by Pitticcu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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