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28 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said:

I should be old enough to think otherwise but I don't think we need live music on TV at all. Live music in the flesh 👍 but TV broadcasts  lack what can make live gigs great, i.e. the vibe. 

I love to see groups on TV in whatever way it can happen, even groups I don't like. I can accept that I am not going to like most of them but it is good to see them there. Would rather a different presenter, but will stick with anyone if that is the way it gets there. 

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Ok, so I've just watched the Hootenanny on catch up as I was at a friend's house on NYE and they insisted on not watching TV until the fireworks, then we got the rest of the Madness gig.

My observations:

  • It appeared to be a show of two house bands, Jools big band and Rudimental. I preferred the latter, which I am surprised to hear myself say.
  • I really liked the Hot 8 brass ensemble but it sounded like Earl was struggling to fill his Sousaphone with air, the bass seemed to drop/slow at times.
  • I was really impressed with Jess Glynne's vocal tone.
  • Marc Almond reminded me of someone's Dad trying to look cool with a load of hair dye and hoofing it through a karaoke.
  • I still don't like Gilson Lavis' drumming style to the point it bugs me. Why they didn't let Dave Swift play bass but kept Gilson on Chic astounds me.
  • Micky Bubbles is a cliche I shouldn't like, but he does have a great voice and makes it look effortless.
  • I liked the raw energy of The Record Company, and the way they got the crowd going on their second track.
  • I could feel myself switching off whenever it went Boogie Woogie, which this year seemed to be more than ever (every time Jools' band played).

I would like to add, before I get shot down in flames, these are only my personal opinions.  I don't doubt Gilson Lavis is a much better drummer than I ever hoped to be, but I would have loved to have seen a drummer like Rudimental's get a shot on that gig.  I also loved the original Tainted Love by Marc Almond, and I've never attempted to play anything bigger than a trombone, so imagine Sousaphone is quite difficult to play well.  I'm sure (and hope) these people are not losing sleep over what I think.

In summary, there were a few things I didn't like, but plenty that I did. I hope the show manages to continue in some format, but with less indulgence to Mr Holland's favourite style of music.  Having said that, if it was my show, I'd probably use every excuse to play my favourite stuff too... 

 

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3 hours ago, Huge Hands said:

Ok, so I've just watched the Hootenanny on catch up as I was at a friend's house on NYE and they insisted on not watching TV until the fireworks, then we got the rest of the Madness gig.

My observations:

  • It appeared to be a show of two house bands, Jools big band and Rudimental. I preferred the latter, which I am surprised to hear myself say.

 

I was quite surprised to see Rudimental not mentioned in Dave's post earlier, especially when given your first observation.

In regard to Rudimental drumming... Beanie is Rudimental's drummer - a bit of a killer player... and some of you that have an interest in that sort of thing, may or may not know he is also on guitar/bass duties for Anne-Marie, who in turn was one of the original vocalists associated with Rudimental. I'm glad I got to see her performing with Rudimental before she found her own career taking off - the Blackpool gig they did in Winter Gardens (with all that bass going through the sprung dancefloor) is one of the gigs that I've been to that I'll never forget. Incredible vibe. On paper, I really shouldn't like the band - but I have found myself to really dig on pretty much everything that they have done. Anybody from the IEM thread will know that "Free" is one of my go to tracks for trying out an IEM... the bass and production on that track is truly staggering. (Emeli Sandie on lead vox)

 

 

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3 hours ago, Huge Hands said:

I was really impressed with Jess Glynne's vocal tone

 

Funny that, I found myself hitting the mute button whenever she came on, way too nasal for me and a bit screamy sounding , still different strokes and all that , I agree with you about The Record Company though

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I thought it was a good show. 

I didn't like everything, there were some things that maybe weren't my taste but thought were still very good (Buble being one of them, he certainly has a voice and knows how to entertain). Best thing for me was The Record Company, I thought they were great. I didn't go much on Rudimental or Chic to be honest.

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10 hours ago, chris_b said:

To all the people moaning and slagging off Later. . . why do you bother watching? Shouldn't you be at least making an attempt to start the year doing something that makes you happy rather than the opposite?

I've started on the recording, I'm 20 mins in and unusally for me I've watched everything so far (tip: if you record it you can ff through the bits you don't like). Loved the start with the Hot 8. Reminds me of the guys I saw busking in NOLA last month. IMO you can't beat a bit of Boogie-Woogie. Just enough R&B in Yola's song to keep me interested and Jess Glynne always comes up with good tunes. The beardy US guys were my least favourite so far.

I ff through anything that isn't music and the interviews so they don't bother me at all.

If there was a Later every day of the week I'd check each one out. IMO you can't beat live music. . . . you really can't.

Slagging stuff makes me happy 😊

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Jess Glynne had a decent voice, Bublé not my cup of tea but good singer and a natural entertainer, Rudimental quite good, house band OK but the Chic stuff sounded poor (sorry but Jerry Barnes just doesn’t fit - hasn’t got the right groove for the gig and every time I hear them he overplays) and the house drummer just didn’t groove unless it was the boogie woogie stuff. Dave Swift sounded fine on both upright and electric. Junior Giscombe still has a fantastic voice. It’s a funny old world as The Record Company seems to have near-universal praise but bored me silly!

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It would be interesting if anyone knew the process by which the production team/whatever for Jools Holland, chose the upcoming artists for appearance on the show. Presumably, they play it safe on NYE but on the other shows, there's an element of "talent spotting" out there.

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Surprised nobody has mentioned the bassist’s use of a capo in one of the songs by The Record Company ?

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16 minutes ago, casapete said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned the bassist’s use of a capo in one of the songs by The Record Company ?

I really must watch this on catch up, was it a full capo or was it to alter the tuning, like capo the G D A strings to drop tune the E?

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21 minutes ago, PaulWarning said:

I really must watch this on catch up, was it a full capo or was it to alter the tuning, like capo the G D A strings to drop tune the E?

Think it wasn’t a full capo Paul, probably as you say. I haven’t a clue how they’re used TBH!

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On 02/01/2019 at 10:57, Huge Hands said:

We are scared of getting someone like Chris Evans/Jo Whiley/Lauren Laverne  instead, so is it better the devil.....?

All those presenters are too old (52, 53 and 40 respectively). None of them will have any fingers on any pulses. The BBC also seem to think that the 'musical yoof' are all brap brap Grime artists with troubled childhoods. This is a BBC problem, not a problem with live music broadcast.

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4 minutes ago, Meddle said:

All those presenters are too old (52, 53 and 40 respectively). None of them will have any fingers on any pulses. The BBC also seem to think that the 'musical yoof' are all brap brap Grime artists with troubled childhoods. This is a BBC problem, not a problem with live music broadcast.

Presenters aren’t the problem, are they... producers have the say-so.

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1 minute ago, Mickeyboro said:

Presenters...

Too old, too ubiquitous and gratuitously overpaid. The BBC hold on to sacred cows like Evans because he made for edgy TV twenty years ago.

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1 minute ago, Meddle said:

Too old, too ubiquitous and gratuitously overpaid. The BBC hold on to sacred cows like Evans because he made for edgy TV twenty years ago.

To be fair, he also had a massive listenership on Radio 2.

As for the Top Gear thing... well, that was always going to be a poison chalice because it wasn't the chosen 3.

I think Chris Evans does have a habit of succeeding (Top Gear aside) - and that's why they pay out the money. I suspect Virgin will gain from his move.

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13 minutes ago, Meddle said:

All those presenters are too old (52, 53 and 40 respectively). None of them will have any fingers on any pulses. The BBC also seem to think that the 'musical yoof' are all brap brap Grime artists with troubled childhoods. This is a BBC problem, not a problem with live music broadcast.

40 isn't too old!!!

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What ageist poppycock. Theres 60+ year olds that have their fingers on the pulse more than teenagers.

John Peel clearly had no idea about emerging music post the age of 40... right?

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27 minutes ago, Meddle said:

All those presenters are too old (52, 53 and 40 respectively). None of them will have any fingers on any pulses. The BBC also seem to think that the 'musical yoof' are all brap brap Grime artists with troubled childhoods. This is a BBC problem, not a problem with live music broadcast.

Ed Sheeran seems to have done OK via the BBC without the 'grime' connection or troubled past (although I think he may have referenced nicking a bottle of his Mum's sherry in one of his songs).

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5 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

What ageist poppycock. Theres 60+ year olds that have their fingers on the pulse more than teenagers.

John Peel clearly had no idea about emerging music post the age of 40... right?

Unfortunately John Peel was very much the exception to the rule. As can be seen from the thread about being out of touch most people are struggling to keep up before they hit 40.

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12 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

Unfortunately John Peel was very much the exception to the rule. As can be seen from the thread about being out of touch most people are struggling to keep up before they hit 40.

There's plenty of John Peel's out there... they are just not fortunate to have been propelled into the limelight. I suspect there's a load of people out there running music pub quizzes every week that have music knowledge (including up the minute chart news and emerging bands) far eclipsing Peel's... but the opportunity has never presented itself for them to be discovered (or they may simply just get off on doing pub quizzes and that suits them fine!)

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15 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

What ageist poppycock. Theres 60+ year olds that have their fingers on the pulse more than teenagers.

 

Yup. If there's any 20 year olds out there who know more about reggae than David Rodigan (who at 67 is obviously far too old), I'd love to see 'em.

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C'mon guys!!

I'm not a fan of Chris Evans but he was obviously on the big bucks because he could attract and maintain the largest audience figures for a radio show in the UK, probably in Europe. Apparently, with the run up to his departure audience figures were dropping like a stone. It doesn't matter who you are, you pay for guys like that.

If he could only raise an audience of 8 people he certainly wouldn't be on the BBC, no matter what his history was. More like he'd be on L&D hospital radio.

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27 minutes ago, chris_b said:

C'mon guys!!

I'm not a fan of Chris Evans but he was obviously on the big bucks because he could attract and maintain the largest audience figures for a radio show in the UK, probably in Europe. Apparently, with the run up to his departure audience figures were dropping like a stone. It doesn't matter who you are, you pay for guys like that.

If he could only raise an audience of 8 people he certainly wouldn't be on the BBC, no matter what his history was. More like he'd be on L&D hospital radio.

And Virgin obviously think that he's worth it... 2 million a year salary is it?

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3 hours ago, casapete said:

Think it wasn’t a full capo Paul, probably as you say. I haven’t a clue how they’re used TBH!

Yeah - it was just on (possibly) G, but def. D and A. Very cool usage to get those open/high note thingies going.

The show was mixed - usual boogie nonsense and annoying noises. I do like George Ezra, and as annoying as Buble's songs are, there's a reason he was the highest selling male artist of the 00s like anywhere (is that right) - he is a travelling Vegas residency of charisma (git.).

Jess Glynne is fabulously successful too - but she appears to sing out of her nose. Go figure.

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