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Hi everyone. I'm doubting about getting either a BB435 or a BB735. I'm not into fiddling too much, so I wouldn't mind getting the passive one. But I heard the neck feels much better in the 735. Any experiences with both basses here? Thanks!

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5 minutes ago, martisanma said:

Hi everyone. I'm doubting about getting either a BB435 or a BB735. I'm not into fiddling too much, so I wouldn't mind getting the passive one. But I heard the neck feels much better in the 735. Any experiences with both basses here? Thanks!

Both basses feel very nice to play. I would happily own both of them! The neck finishes are a bit different - 735 is a kind of painted satin finish, whereas the 435 is more like bare wood. Both feel great but the 735 is a little bit smoother. 

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10 minutes ago, martisanma said:

Hi everyone. I'm doubting about getting either a BB435 or a BB735. I'm not into fiddling too much, so I wouldn't mind getting the passive one. But I heard the neck feels much better in the 735. Any experiences with both basses here? Thanks!

I don’t fiddle much either. I run 735 passive most of the time and then drop the EQ in for the odd slap bass part for some extra booty. The fact that’s it’s bypass-able with passive tone is what makes the active the best choice for me. 

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I find i do fiddle if there is something fiddle with. I had this with my old Lakland, TRBX, and my Sire V7. Run them in passive mode i thought, less to worry about, but then id start thinking 'what if i use active'.... The temptation was always there.

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Band decided to tune down half a tone. Bought DR Drop down tuning strings.  Rehearsal on wednesday ... put the strings on the 3000... sounds strange for me, I don't like drop tunings... we'll see if it will work out...

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8 minutes ago, gobasserk said:

Band decided to tune down half a tone. Bought DR Drop down tuning strings.  Rehearsal on wednesday ... put the strings on the 3000... sounds strange for me, I don't like drop tunings... we'll see if it will work out...

Me neither.

Get one of those Helixy Stomp gizmo thingies and you can drop tune or change to whatever key you like at the press of footswitch. 

Or buy a 5 string. Apparently Yammy make these too. And you can then take the key down by a whole 5 semitones and still sound completely authentic 😁

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7 hours ago, martisanma said:

Hi everyone. I'm doubting about getting either a BB435 or a BB735. I'm not into fiddling too much, so I wouldn't mind getting the passive one. But I heard the neck feels much better in the 735. Any experiences with both basses here? Thanks!

I might end up getting a 735 some day if curiosity gets the better of me, but the 435 is absolutely brilliant. I suppose in comparison the 735 might feel a little richer, and the preamp should be a nice bonus, but I doubt there is much to be gained in the way it plays.

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10 minutes ago, Danuman said:

I might end up getting a 735 some day if curiosity gets the better of me, but the 435 is absolutely brilliant. I suppose in comparison the 735 might feel a little richer, and the preamp should be a nice bonus, but I doubt there is much to be gained in the way it plays.

Agreed. They’re both top notch in terms of feel. As a 735 owner I’d happily own a 435.

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Just now, CameronJ said:

Agreed. They’re both top notch in terms of feel. As a 735 owner I’d happily own a 435.

As a P34 owner I’d happily gig my 425 if i needed the extra string. 

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3 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Me neither.

Get one of those Helixy Stomp gizmo thingies and you can drop tune or change to whatever key you like at the press of footswitch. 

Or buy a 5 string. Apparently Yammy make these too. And you can then take the key down by a whole 5 semitones and still sound completely authentic 😁

 

 

3 hours ago, gobasserk said:

Band decided to tune down half a tone. Bought DR Drop down tuning strings.  Rehearsal on wednesday ... put the strings on the 3000... sounds strange for me, I don't like drop tunings... we'll see if it will work out...

The advantage of tuning a 4 string down a half step to match a down tuned guitar is that you get the ‘freedom’ of open strings especially if the songs are quite riff-y and are written ‘in E’. Playing in Eb on a ‘standard tuned’ 5’er means that most notes will have to be fretted and you can sometimes lose a bit of the feel especially on those big riffs. Tuning down might be preferable to buying a new bass unless you’re after a good excuse to make a new purchase 😉

A side note...The Smashing Pumpkins famously wrote their song “Today” in the key of Eb on guitars tuned in standard tuning not tuned down to Eb which many people assumed at the time. 

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How does an Eb on a open string tuned down sound different/worse to an open E tuned normally and pitch shifted down via a device of some sort?

Or is it just being used to hearing it one key and shifting to another sounds ‘different’?

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I found playing the ‘Grunge’ classic’s in drop d on a 4 string way more fun and rewarding than playing on a five sting on the fretted low d. Just loses the feel of playing in drop d. Killing In The Name Of is another one which played on a 5’er is much less fun than on a 4 string in drop d! 

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It’s not just grunge though, most live acts across genres when they play their songs which were standard on the record, play with guitars tuned half a step down. Maroon5 always do, and loads of country, who are often D tuned

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AC/DC tune down as well - the first time they soundchecked Hell's Bells after changing led to some hasty adjustment of the bell sample.

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Yammy BBs & J pup

The J pup tends to be viewed as the poor cousin on Yammy BBs and rarely gets solo'd from what most folk have said.

I'm 'with the  crowd' on this and typically use the P or a blended PJ on my BBs when playing clean.

Was messing about with a couple of drive pedals today, and frankly the solo J with a drive pedal blows the P and PJ settings out the water in terms of delivering a meaty drive with great sustain. 

Guessing this may already be familiar to BB Land - but it was a very pleasant surprise for me and yet another facet to the capabilities of the Yammy BB.

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Must admit ive used the bridge pup solo’ed on a few songs now. Very powerful with a bit of drive on it. 

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The middle position is THE setting as far as I'm concerned, especially when drive is involved. I've never been able to get a solo jazz bridge pickup to sound good in my hands, even though I've heard others pull it off!

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4 minutes ago, dannybuoy said:

The middle position is THE setting as far as I'm concerned, especially when drive is involved. I've never been able to get a solo jazz bridge pickup to sound good in my hands, even though I've heard others pull it off!

I hear you. I’ve listened to so many bassists who sound absolutely godlike with a solo’d bridge J pup.

Not I!

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I find solo J on these new BBs kills! In fact I did a recording session recently and inadvertently turned the pickup knob not the volume 🤦‍♂️ Tbh no one on the session noticed - including me. Still plenty of bottom with these new voiced pickups, something I rarely experience on a solo’d J.

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31 minutes ago, TJ Spicer said:

I find solo J on these new BBs kills! In fact I did a recording session recently and inadvertently turned the pickup knob not the volume 🤦‍♂️ Tbh no one on the session noticed - including me. Still plenty of bottom with these new voiced pickups, something I rarely experience on a solo’d J.

Awww...TJ please do NOT get me started on only us bass players ever paying attention to our bass tone and everyone else being completely oblivious to it!! In your case it sounds like not even the bass player is paying any attention to his live tone 😁😂🤣

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Yammy store in London seems to be having a bit of a sale on, although the prices of basses not in the sale seem to have gone up and some of them eye wateringly so!

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2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Yammy store in London seems to be having a bit of a sale on, although the prices of basses not in the sale seem to have gone up and some of them eye wateringly so!

Their prices are no where near what they say they are. Speaking to them in store I’ve had Been offered the Attitude III for around £1.7k less than list price. And that’s just their offer without any harder negotiations. The sales guy said they won’t be beaten on price and will offer the lowest prices on Yamaha if you ask... Strange strategy to me, but makes making a deal with a real human the best option for once! 

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Ok so I think it’s safe to say that Yamaha have their Ps and P/Js nailed, but does anyone know why they haven’t produced a J-type bass in so long? I mean purely in pickup config, not physical design. I’d certainly buy one! Especially at Yamaha price points and build quality.

Edit: the BBNE2 doesn’t count :ph34r:

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Just now, CameronJ said:

Ok so I think it’s safe to say that Yamaha have their Ps and P/Js nailed, but does anyone know why they haven’t produced a J-type bass in so long? I mean purely in pickup config, not physical design. I’d certainly buy one! Especially at Yamaha price points and build quality.

Maybe there’s just too many in that market already to be worth the R&D? 

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2 minutes ago, bassfan said:

Maybe there’s just too many in that market already to be worth the R&D? 

Perhaps. Though I don’t think there’d be a huge amount of R&D involved - they’ve already developed J pickups for the BB series. They have a very well-liked preamp system already in production and make nice passive circuits too. At most, they’d need a new body shape and a slight alteration to the existing bridge J pup to be more suitable for the neck position. Light work for a company with the resources Yamaha has.

But maybe with the likes of Sire on the scene producing great value-for-money jazzes on such a large scale, Yamaha would rather stick with their own niche. Obviously Sire do the P7 which is arguably a direct competitor to the BB734/5s but at a lower price point and with very different looks. If Sire did a P9 (P version of their V9 Jazz) then Yamaha might be in more serious danger in terms of price-point competition.

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