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On 01/03/2021 at 11:59, Al Krow said:

Hi Matbard - sorry to hear about this. I suspect you maybe quick off the mark in terms of getting round to a first string change although I think @hookys6stringbass mentioned he had changed the strings on his PH too and maybe able to assist. 

I had to change mine through the bridge normally instead of through body... I had got it to tune through body but I gave it 3 days for the string to stretch. I heard people were having problems and I thought it would be a matter of time until mine snapped if I was playing at gig levels of gusto....

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2 hours ago, hookys6stringbass said:

I had to change mine through the bridge normally instead of through body... I had got it to tune through body but I gave it 3 days for the string to stretch. I heard people were having problems and I thought it would be a matter of time until mine snapped if I was playing at gig levels of gusto....

Thank you Hooky6...

I suspected that going thru-bridge would allow a little less tension on the G string. I'm going to buy a couple of single .060 Rotosounds (someone suggested me they are the same of Elites...) and change stringing in that way. Looking at Hooky's personal bass, seems to me that the G string is not the same set of Elite signature set.

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18 minutes ago, matbard said:

Thank you Hooky6...

I suspected that going thru-bridge would allow a little less tension on the G string. I'm going to buy a couple of single .060 Rotosounds (someone suggested me they are the same of Elites...) and change stringing in that way. Looking at Hooky's personal bass, seems to me that the G string is not the same set of Elite signature set.

I never had a problem with my 734a as I went thru bridge....  I've never had a problem with the 1200s ever... hmmm maybe the tuning peg  is not as wide as the 1200s'....

Mind you Hooky has a 45 on his high E on his six... I got it to tune to  E after 4 days of stretching ... sat down to play it and it snapped,  nearly chopping my fingers off. I went with 40 after that....

Yeah I noticed that string on his PMT interview... maybe he snapped it before filming???

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What a handsome duo!! They both look great, and I even find myself surprised that I'm preferring the deep red 604 over the natural 605, it's been done so well.

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They are both really great looking instruments and both finishes are very tasteful. I am really enjoying the way they play, they are light but sturdy and the range of sounds that they can make is so good. I am amazed by the quality of yamaha instruments, even their budget options. 

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Hi @PPSteve - agreed the one at Bass Gallery did look like an 1100S

Let me give your post a plug on this thread, too, although tbf BB1200S are a bit like the BB2000, i.e. gold dust and they just don't come up too often! (In fact I don't think anyone on our "wall of shame" on the OP has a BB2000...)

Looking for a Yamaha BB1200S - Bass Guitars - Basschat

"Unfortunately" looking through the BG website there was a stunning blue TRB 5P which completely turned my head, but which I don't need.

...no I really don't need...

..no, no, seriously, I really really don't need... 

😊

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I may well have found the missing link between a Yamaha BB1200s and a BB2024 : the Yamaha BB1000s !

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I've just bought it second hand, sent by post, as "in very good condition", but is is clearly roadworn, has been played a lot in the 80s and 90s, has a lot of dings, the fretboard after the nut has suffered from I do not know what, and I am not sure the tuners are original. The 3 way pickup selector seems to be dead.


But these are extraordinarily solid : it plays really well, the frets are good.

 

Through neck vs bolt-on :20210307_102142.thumb.jpg.f3b8ca2b1f968e8ed10ca2f5527a199b.jpg

Same headstock design, different tuners

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Same jack socket20210307_101122.thumb.jpg.980b99d2467ff03464fa1951e35e7942.jpg

 

2 stripes20210307_101141.thumb.jpg.5f61ec834aa00103ecd3a235db68908f.jpg

1 stripe20210307_101144.thumb.jpg.2947cff8998e437438efd1156b21b3ce.jpg

Deeper cutaway on the G side on the 202420210307_101149.thumb.jpg.a5ea6206489008406198c8e2970cd7e5.jpg

 

 

The nut : still operatin, not sure how :

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Hey all,

You may have noticed my BBP34 for sale on the marketplace:

I strongly considered installing some Hipshot Ultralites, but couldn't bring myself to drill the holes. It doesn't feel right to modify a bass of this quality; to change the brushed-nickel hardware, especially as it balances so well how it is.
I'm hoping I can find another BB from the new series and that it will still compare well. My trusty BB1024 really is not going anywhere!
Of course if anyone has a lighter BBP34 to trade ... maybe they prefer the Blue to the Sunburst ;) It seems very unlikely though!

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A great comparison! Related to your post @claustra, I've been trying to find a replacement switch for my BB1024 this morning. I'm guess giving it a spray with some electrical spray will help, but are there any recommendations for a more robust switch? 

Cheers

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1 hour ago, claustra said:

I may well have found the missing link between a Yamaha BB1200s and a BB2024 : the Yamaha BB1000s !

20210307_102326.thumb.jpg.b50bfe223480b3547443a61c65d1367d.jpg

I've just bought it second hand, sent by post, as "in very good condition", but is is clearly roadworn, has been played a lot in the 80s and 90s, has a lot of dings, the fretboard after the nut has suffered from I do not know what, and I am not sure the tuners are original. The 3 way pickup selector seems to be dead.


But these are extraordinarily solid : it plays really well, the frets are good.

 

Through neck vs bolt-on :20210307_102142.thumb.jpg.f3b8ca2b1f968e8ed10ca2f5527a199b.jpg

Same headstock design, different tuners

20210307_102012.thumb.jpg.661b441d22fccbc2e47ab99b768b4af1.jpg

20210307_102247.thumb.jpg.ec83927641a9996461957810319f27ac.jpg

Same jack socket20210307_101122.thumb.jpg.980b99d2467ff03464fa1951e35e7942.jpg

 

2 stripes20210307_101141.thumb.jpg.5f61ec834aa00103ecd3a235db68908f.jpg

1 stripe20210307_101144.thumb.jpg.2947cff8998e437438efd1156b21b3ce.jpg

Deeper cutaway on the G side on the 202420210307_101149.thumb.jpg.a5ea6206489008406198c8e2970cd7e5.jpg

 

 

The nut : still operatin, not sure how :

20210307_100418.thumb.jpg.e9c7a2238343759007653746da5496b5.jpg

Very nice collection indeed 

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10 minutes ago, yourfurryfiend said:

A great comparison! Related to your post @claustra, I've been trying to find a replacement switch for my BB1024 this morning. I'm guess giving it a spray with some electrical spray will help, but are there any recommendations for a more robust switch? 

Cheers

Not sure which switch at the moment.

I'll try some spray and check the soldering, but electronics is not my thing.

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20 minutes ago, yourfurryfiend said:

Hey all,

You may have noticed my BBP34 for sale on the marketplace:

I strongly considered installing some Hipshot Ultralites, but couldn't bring myself to drill the holes. It doesn't feel right to modify a bass of this quality; to change the brushed-nickel hardware, especially as it balances so well how it is.
I'm hoping I can find another BB from the new series and that it will still compare well. My trusty BB1024 really is not going anywhere!
Of course if anyone has a lighter BBP34 to trade ... maybe they prefer the Blue to the Sunburst ;) It seems very unlikely though!

I saw your FS ad and was interested that you had exactly the same experience with your BB P34 as I did with my P35 i.e. fantastic bass, but a touch too heavy. What's yours weighing in at?

Completely understand where you're coming from about drilling holes in a high end bass - and with Ultralites as they have a smaller footprint the holes are very much exposed. (Although cosmetically the old tuners would liklely cover the new holes should you decide to move it on and provided you've disclosed the holes a purchaser shouldn't mind too much or, at most, you would knock a bit of the sales price). But they would shave I'm guessing 1lb off the weight and potentially transform it to being "just perfect". But I'm still with you in hesitating!

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21 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

I saw your FS ad and was interested that you had exactly the same experience with your BB P34 as I did with my P35 i.e. fantastic bass, but a touch too heavy. What's yours weighing in at?

Completely understand where you're coming from about drilling holes in a high end bass - and with Ultralites as they have a smaller footprint the holes are very much exposed. (Although cosmetically the old tuners would liklely cover the new holes should you decide to move it on and provided you've disclosed the holes a purchaser shouldn't mind too much or, at most, you would knock a bit of the sales price). But they would shave I'm guessing 1lb off the weight and potentially transform it to being "just perfect". But I'm still with you in hesitating!

Yes I agree, the same experience, it is a shame about the weight! I think if I sat down to practice and didn't intend to use it live, then I would be keen on keeping it. I don't think it's really a heavy one at 4.3Kg/9.47lbs, I think this is absolutely fine for many people.
My BB1024 comes in at 3.9Kg/8.59lbs (with Ultralites) and it makes all the difference to me.

That's good advice, I was thinking the same about the holes not being visible with the original tuners.
My logic is that, as the BB1024 must have been around 4.0 Kg before Ultralites (and too heavy for me), then BBP34 + Ultralites won't get it low enough (I'm assuming around 0.1Kg saving).

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19 minutes ago, yourfurryfiend said:

Yes I agree, the same experience, it is a shame about the weight! I think if I sat down to practice and didn't intend to use it live, then I would be keen on keeping it. I don't think it's really a heavy one at 4.3Kg/9.47lbs, I think this is absolutely fine for many people.
My BB1024 comes in at 3.9Kg/8.59lbs (with Ultralites) and it makes all the difference to me.

That's good advice, I was thinking the same about the holes not being visible with the original tuners.
My logic is that, as the BB1024 must have been around 4.0 Kg before Ultralites (and too heavy for me), then BBP34 + Ultralites won't get it low enough (I'm assuming around 0.1Kg saving).

We seem to be travelling down an identical path!

I kept my 1025 in preference to the P35 purely on weight grounds. I think the P35 edges it otherwise, in particular it has a tonally sweeter bridge pup.

My 1025 doesn't have Ultralites and it will likely be a fraction heavier than yours with a 5 string neck, although I suspect not much in it as I think the 5ers have flatter necks, but it still comes in at a comfortable 4.4kg = 9.7 lbs.

My guess is the Ultralites will shave a bit more than 0.1kg, I reckon more like 1lb = 0.45kg off the weight (well for 5 tuners maybe a bit less for 4 tuners). But I suspect the manufacturer will provide the precise weights online and then it would be a case of just removing one of your existing tuners and accurately weighing it (and then obviously x4) to find out what the weight saving would be.

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On 21/02/2021 at 20:46, AndyTravis said:

I know the BB’s are the thing here. I keep want an SB though too.

Great shape, sort of the midway between the SBV samurai basses and the BB’s...I think chronologically as well as in appearance.

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That SB bass with the maple board looks great. Given the trend towards slightly quirky retro designs, I think if Yamaha were to resurrect that style it would be well received, especially if it were equipped with some nice and beefy- sounding pickups. As with all Yamaha basses,  it would have to be Japanese- made to peak my interest, but I  expect it will never happen anyway.😟

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On 04/03/2021 at 20:16, Al Krow said:

Hi @PPSteve - agreed the one at Bass Gallery did look like an 1100S

Let me give your post a plug on this thread, too, although tbf BB1200S are a bit like the BB2000, i.e. gold dust and they just don't come up too often! (In fact I don't think anyone on our "wall of shame" on the OP has a BB2000...)

Looking for a Yamaha BB1200S - Bass Guitars - Basschat

"Unfortunately" looking through the BG website there was a stunning blue TRB 5P which completely turned my head, but which I don't need.

...no I really don't need...

..no, no, seriously, I really really don't need... 

😊

The BB2000 is also ripe for a reissue, as is the BB3000, for that matter. Again, they would have to be made in Japan to do justice to the originals. There was a golden age of manufacturing in Japan in the 70s and 80s ( not just in musical instrument  making but across the board) and that was a big part of what made those basses so special.  

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57 minutes ago, Misdee said:

That SB bass with the maple board looks great. Given the trend towards slightly quirky retro designs, I think if Yamaha were to resurrect that style it would be well received, especially if it were equipped with some nice and beefy- sounding pickups. As with all Yamaha basses,  it would have to be Japanese- made to peak my interest, but I  expect it will never happen anyway.😟

I have one for sale here :

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Misdee said:

The BB2000 is also ripe for a reissue, as is the BB3000, for that matter. Again, they would have to be made in Japan to do justice to the originals. There was a golden age of manufacturing in Japan in the 70s and 80s ( not just in musical instrument  making but across the board) and that was a big part of what made those basses so special.  

Agreed, and please add a 5000 and 5000A into that list for us 5 string players (plus a PH 5er whilst they're at it).

I've been really very happy with the quality of my Indonesian made 1025. I get that 50 years ago Japan vs Indonesia would have been a big gulf in terms of economics and local skills. But my sense is that Indonesia is a pretty good location for decent quality bass manufacture these days. I'm guessing a similar debate to a Czech made Spector vs USA made Spector, or MIM vs USA made Fender. With Spector, I think the Czech version is superb and as much as I would love a US NS5, paying literally double is a jump only likely to be matched by a 10% (max?) improvement in parts and quality.

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Just seen your post on your FS thread:

1 hour ago, yourfurryfiend said:

I was conscious of the weight being reported as a different value to Richard's post, so I re-weighed on my kitchen scales, and it came out the same as 4.3Kg/9.47lbs.

It's under 10lbs!! That's my magic number, these days, or tiny bit more at a stretch - and I'm not a particularly sturdy youth by any measure of that phrase! 

In which case, can I make one further suggestion: leave the existing tuners on, but before selling get one of these: Minotaur Bass Strap Black – Thomann UK

If I had discovered these sooner, I wouldn't have sold my P35! It's given a complete new lease of life to a couple of my heavier basses and an opportunity for me to appreciate just how really good they are!

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