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37 minutes ago, Muzz said:

I found the SB-1 was very nice, a much more a Jazz neck than the 2000s (I had a couple), which were baseball bats by comparison.

One reason for buying a USA G&L is that you can have any neck on any body. Mine will be 1½", but the factory default for the SB-1 is 1⅝".

The Indonesian-made Tribute series, though, you get what you get. Off the top of my head the Tribute SB-2 is 1½" and the Tribute L-2000 is 1¾".

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If the switch is too weak for someone's standard, a replacement won't exceed anyone's budget... not worth mentioning 🙂 

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15 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

What were the key differences in sound? The G&L Tribute seem to be similarly configured to the Yamaha TRBX series from a pup perspective? 

Look into and research MFD pick ups and the preamp - that will give you your answer if you already know what TRBX are like - configuration and similar placement is one thing - how it is is another.

Tribby’s also have a different neck profile to the USA ones as well

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As we know a selector switch isn't as versatile as a knob as it's just 3 positions vs multiple blend options with a knob. However it does work well IMO and makes it very easy to switch (excuse the pun) mid song if you want to a different tonal flavour. 

I prefer a straightforward selector switch - I've a blend knob on my TRBX and find it totally useless - finding something perceivably different between 100% neck and 50%/50% is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

I was wondering if it was just me, but someone recently bumped an old thread on TB about blend controls, which contained some technical explanations as to why blend controls so often seem to have no gradations, no better than selector switches. I can't say I understood them, but the whiff of science was enough to reassure me that I wasn't just being cloth-earred. 

I saw that some recent EBMM bass with two pickups had a 5 way selector: solely neck, mostly neck, equal, mostly bridge, solely bridge, and wondered if EBMM had had to fine-tune the preselected blends very carefully. Certainly, to return to your point, having five reliable sounds seems more useful in performance than trying to find those two tiny spots on the blend knob where the dominant pickup isn't totally obliterating the other.

 

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30 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

As we know a selector switch isn't as versatile as a knob as it's just 3 positions vs multiple blend options with a knob. However it does work well IMO and makes it very easy to switch (excuse the pun) mid song if you want a different tonal flavour and / or fully engage the grit of your bridge pup etc. 

Switches can be more or less than 3 positions and it all depends how you wire them

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50 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

What were the key differences in sound? The G&L Tribute seem to be similarly configured to the Yamaha TRBX series from a pup perspective? 

I think the BB had more of a vintage sound, more round and I prefer the lows of the BB. The G&L sounded more modern I guess (or what I think it's more modern), more sharp. I also preferred the preamp of the BB (I think I'm probably the only one here who likes it). I didn't get along with the electronics of the G&L. No because they were bad, but they were not for me. But the construction was 10/10.

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G&L pick ups are known for their high output and the reason they’re not as popular IMO is that while folks love them they can be harder to tame due to that output. 
As to blends they’re grand I suppose but having VVT can be even more of a fiddle as not all tone tapers are the same. Obviously we all get to know the sweet spots and I set my pots to all line up at a blend position I like so while both on full doesn’t look right I know once those pots are in line it’s where I like the blend on the VVT bass. Some simple wee ‘hacks’ can make certain tone recall a bit easier. 

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

As we know a selector switch isn't as versatile as a knob as it's just 3 positions vs multiple blend options with a knob. However it does work well IMO and makes it very easy to switch (excuse the pun) mid song if you want a different tonal flavour and / or fully engage the grit of your bridge pup etc. 

There are electrical positives to selector switches as it means there's less loading on the pickups. 

1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

What were the key differences in sound? The G&L Tribute seem to be similarly configured to the Yamaha TRBX series from a pup perspective? 

G&L MFD pickups are crazy, hot output and with really wide frequency range sound. Imagine a MM sound but a bit more single coil style clarity humbucker and with a massive punch. It's Leo's next progression of Pickup design going from Fender -> Musicman -> G&L   Not played a TRBX but the BB's I've played have been more at the Fender end of soundstyle....

Highly recommend trying out, as it's something different. I loved my G&L L1000 but did sell it... I'm glad I owned one but for me there are other basses that fit what I want better. (given a larger income and more space I would still have it)   

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24 minutes ago, krispn said:

G&L pick ups are known for their high output and the reason they’re not as popular IMO is that while folks love them they can be harder to tame due to that output. 

2 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

G&L MFD pickups are crazy, hot output and with really wide frequency range sound. 

G&L = high ouptut seems to be the consensus.

Interestingly I think the 424/5 pups are also pretty high output and there's a lot of love for them across these pages, with folk managing to tame via the simple expediency of lowering pup heights.

Speaking of lowering, if I can briefly do that with the conversational tone for a moment - would you ever consider an Ibanez to be an "Ibby"? Just sayin' 😁

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I'm very flexible as far as the Switch Vs Blend debate goes (I have basses with both), it was more that the 2024 switch felt like a £5 switch on an otherwise fantastically-made instrument...I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the same one as on my 414, which at £180 second hand is much more the price range for a switch like that. It's also too big a hole to replace with a smaller, better-made switch... 😕

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I tend not to abbreviate names too much but saying P and J is pretty expeditious when referring to a bass i.e. saying pass me the .... P. It’s like some said recently abbreviations in language or especially typing usually save time. An example  I confess 9 keystrokes must ‘fess 11 keystrokes. Odd right! 

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16 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

G&L = high ouptut seems to be the consensus.

Interestingly I think the 424/5 pups are also pretty high output and there's a lot of love for them across these pages

Heres a demo of an MFD split coil. My like of the noise it makes feels very much related to my choosing the 424 over the 434 - a really firm, ringing sound. 

Not exactly a subtle basic sound, but... *searches for metaphor* ....but the roar of a tamed beast is better than the yapping of a riled lapdog, no? 😁

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Thanks for that. Actually I liked the tone of the SB-1 a LOT, but that's probably 'cos it's not a million miles from my 1025 (which we're all bored to death knowing what a fanboi of, I am).

What I would say is that the preamp on the SB-1 does sound better / livelier than on the 735A, but I guess you would hope that to be the case given the price jump (for a USA made).

Are the G&L Tributes essentially the same bass but Indonesia rather than USA made?

The SB-2 would be the config I'd go for as it's classic PJ, however it seemed to get mixed reviews on TB (and tbf you very rarely get a bad Yammy review) and from what I've seen they're not available as a 5 string?

1 minute ago, Ricky Rioli said:

Not exactly a subtle basic sound, but... *searches for metaphor* ....but the roar of a tamed beast is better than the yapping of a riled lapdog, no? 😁

Btw - I loved that quote!

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23 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

The SB-2 would be the config I'd go for as it's classic PJ, however it seemed to get mixed reviews on TB

This is all purely what I've learnt from reading, so take it with a good pinch of salt....

The SB-2 is an odd design: firstly theres no tone control, just two volumes. Secondly, the bridge pickup is *really* close to the bridge: the idea seems to be that you add in some of the bridge pickup to the basic sound of the neck pickup as a flavouring. I guess some people find it frustrating. Both the SB-2 and the SB-1 are pure passive instruments.

The L-2000 is interesting in that it has an active/passive switch, but whether the active is on or off, the bass and treble knobs remain passive and only cut: the MFD humbuckers make a full rich tone across the spectrum and then you dampen what you want.

ps I'll shut up about G&L now! Back to BBs..... 😇

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45 minutes ago, Muzz said:

I'm very flexible as far as the Switch Vs Blend debate goes (I have basses with both), it was more that the 2024 switch felt like a £5 switch on an otherwise fantastically-made instrument...I wouldn't be surprised to find it's the same one as on my 414, which at £180 second hand is much more the price range for a switch like that. It's also too big a hole to replace with a smaller, better-made switch... 😕

Absolutely.

I sold my 2024 to Chris (Beedster) quite some time ago now. The switch was a little bit hit and miss, something I put down to dirty contacts from lack of use. Something that was resolved by flicking it a few times. It turns out it was defective and Promenade Music sorted it FOC. 

Not up to the high standard of the bass otherwise methinks.

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My head was getting fed up of my going back and forth between mm and inch, so I sat down with my calculator to make myself chart, so I don't need to think anymore.

Once I had done it, I realised that Yamaha's frequent sizes of 40mm and 43mm lie almost exactly in the middle of the gaps between 1½" and 1⅝" and 1¾"

(40mm: 100.8% of 1 & 9/16" ; 43mm: 100.3% of 1 & 11/16")

My head is so pleased to learn that it'll never have to think about this again 😅

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On 10/02/2021 at 07:00, Fil1ip said:

So bass direct are saying last chance to get a BBPH? Does this mean they are the limited numbers that were stated originally? 

One on eBay for £1250, I always assumed used prices would be less until a few years down the line when they are hard to buy etc 

I think PMT maybe undersold the signed ones as they have put the price up from £899 to £959 for the 'normal' version.

I think I bought their last one yesterday.

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9 minutes ago, MirrorMan said:

I think I bought their last one yesterday.

I guess if you only think you bought it, then proper 'congratulations' should wait until we have some pics from you as proof! 😁

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Just now, Al Krow said:

I guess if you only think you bought it, then proper 'congratulations' should wait until we have some pics from you as proof! 😁

This is true.... Pics later! 

 

2 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

I guess if you only think you bought it, then proper 'congratulations' should wait until we have some pics from you as proof! 😁

This is true..... Pics later today.

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46 minutes ago, MirrorMan said:

This is true.... Pics later! 

 

This is true..... Pics later today.

Enjoy, hopefully. I love mine. Going to switch back to nickel rounds from Dunlop flats though. What was I thinking!

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46 minutes ago, GreeneKing said:

Enjoy, hopefully. I love mine. Going to switch back to nickel rounds from Dunlop flats though. What was I thinking!

 

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Congrats! The PH is definitely proving to be a MASSIVE hit with BC'ers. I'll add you to the "wall of shame" :) 

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