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2 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Yup I too could start prattling on about Ibanez or softer wood Sandbergs which are all v light.

BUUUT technically this is a Yammy thread AND still your true home, dear chap, even if you do go off and get expensive, albeit still lightweight, clones of Sire V7/P7 basses😁

Roger and co we’re trading before sire were a twinkle in Marcus Miller’s eye...but fair enough...

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15 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

Roger and co we’re trading before sire were a twinkle in Marcus Miller’s eye...but fair enough...

But aren't they Warwicks these days? 😉

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10 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

But aren't they Warwicks these days? 😉

Distribution yes. Manufacturing in NYC, Japan (as previously) and I think Warwick’s chinese rockbass facility (Or the one they use) for a new range.

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Hey guys! What are the differences soundwise between BB2025X and BBP35 models? I've heard on some youtube videos the BB2025X has more bite, but youtube is not the best source of truth. Would appreciate your opinions. 

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Not sure how many of us have had both. My experience will be close in that I have a "played in" BB 1025 and had a P35. 

The fact that my 1025 was played in should have gone some way to achieving what the wood treatment does on the 2025.

I found the P35 to be marginally sweeter in tone, I suspect largely down to the newer model pups. The strings were in a similar condition but any differences there would also play a significant part. 

In summary: very similar. So much so I held onto my 1025 as it was the lighter of the two basses, again not by much (0.2kg). 

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4 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Not sure how many of us have had both. My experience will be close in that I have a "played in" BB 1025 and had a P35. 

The fact that my 1025 was played in should have gone some way to achieving what the wood treatment does on the 2025.

I found the P35 to be marginally sweeter in tone, I suspect largely down to the newer model pups. The strings were in a similar condition but any differences there would also play a significant part. 

In summary: very similar. So much so I held onto my 1025 as it was the lighter of the two basses, again not by much (0.2kg). 

Great review, thank you @Al Krow. So the bite on 1025/2025 is indeed more substantial compared to P35.

I see a BBNE2 on your profile pic. I know it's a different beast, but how would you compare it to other BBs?

Cheers!

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14 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Interesting you mention that - the bass that Dave just returned, a lovely BB435, tipped the scales at 4.1kgs also. But that definitely does seem to be at the lighter end of the current Yammy BBs

I've seen other BB435's under 10lb too... Can't remember exactly what mine weighs, but I think it's about the same as Dave's was. My BBN5 is noticeably lighter. 

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Well, I've received all the supplies, and finally pulled my thumb out and made the first steps towards my apocalypse /quarantine project last night. 

It will be having a respray (experimenting a bit, but fingers crossed it'll work out okay!), I'm going to attempt to make a pickguard, and fitting new knobs. 

Did toy with changing the pickups and pots, but in all honestly there's nothing wrong with it at all!

Will keep you updated with my progress. 👍

N. B. Excuse the nappy bags, they were just handy to put the hardware in! 

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21 minutes ago, fclef4life said:

Great review, thank you @Al Krow. So the bite on 1025/2025 is indeed more substantial compared to P35.

You're welcome :) 

I'm not sure I was saying that at all however. If anything I was trying to get across the point that they are very very similar!

22 minutes ago, fclef4life said:

I see a BBNE2 on your profile pic. I know it's a different beast, but how would you compare it to other BBs?

I wouldn't compare it to other BBs. It's a COMPLETELY different animal. It is much closer to the TRB 5PII sound wise from what folk like @AndyTravis who I believe has owned both have said.

In particular the BBNE2 doesn't have a P pup is and is purely active, whereas the more modern BB bases are PJ and the majority are purely passive.

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For those looking for a BB with a more aggressive sound I played a BBP34 with Nordstrand Big blades on Saturday...

It was a very aggressive sound with a deeper but tighter low end...

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16 hours ago, AndyTravis said:

Distribution yes. Manufacturing in NYC, Japan (as previously) and I think Warwick’s chinese rockbass facility (Or the one they use) for a new range.

German Masterbuilt equivalent to current NYC (Warwick CS), Metroline will be German team-built (GPS equivalent) and new Metro Express Will be Chinese like current Warwick Rockbasses. 

Roger is still building customs in NYC, I was there 2 weeks ago choosing top woods for my custom build (although the shop is now shut for the virus!) 

I know the feeling - A Sadowsky PJ5 was the only bass that could usurp my love Yammys, particularly the BB, and sadly has! I‘d be intrigued to see how I felt if I had a BB with the Sadowsky pre and pickups. 

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27 minutes ago, TJ Spicer said:

German Masterbuilt equivalent to current NYC (Warwick CS), Metroline will be German team-built (GPS equivalent) and new Metro Express Will be Chinese like current Warwick Rockbasses. 

Roger is still building customs in NYC, I was there 2 weeks ago choosing top woods for my custom build (although the shop is now shut for the virus!) 

I know the feeling - A Sadowsky PJ5 was the only bass that could usurp my love Yammys, particularly the BB, and sadly has! I‘d be intrigued to see how I felt if I had a BB with the Sadowsky pre and pickups. 

Yeah just read up on it. I think I read early speculation about where things would be built.

it’d be interesting to compare the Metroline (Warwick) to Metroline (Japan).

If I could find an Mv4 (Japan) for sale in ice blue met or LPB, that’d do me.

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19 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

Yeah just read up on it. I think I read early speculation about where things would be built.

it’d be interesting to compare the Metroline (Warwick) to Metroline (Japan).

If I could find an Mv4 (Japan) for sale in ice blue met or LPB, that’d do me.

I’m almost definitely going to compare the two when the Warwick builds are available - and it’ll undoubtedly end up on my YT channel.

That’s the thing I always find so difficult with Sadowskys, finding the right colours outside of custom. Took me 5 years for a PJ5 in Olympic white to come up! Worth the wait - though the BB735a did admirably in the ‘5 string PJ’ space in the arsenal! 

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5 minutes ago, TJ Spicer said:

I’m almost definitely going to compare the two when the Warwick builds are available - and it’ll undoubtedly end up on my YT channel.

That’s the thing I always find so difficult with Sadowskys, finding the right colours outside of custom. Took me 5 years for a PJ5 in Olympic white to come up! Worth the wait - though the BB735a did admirably in the ‘5 string PJ’ space in the arsenal! 

I could just buy the uv70 for sale here and book a respray at a later date.

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4 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

I could just buy the uv70 for sale here and book a respray at a later date.

I used my UV70 on a session the other day and it sounded great (it always does!). The UV70 was the bass that created the Sadowsky fanatic in me - I was sold the moment I plugged it in (and I was 14/15 at the time!). Again it was between that and a 2024x. The long term struggle between Yamaha and Sadowsky is a repeated theme throughout my bass playing career 😂

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Posted (edited)

I do believe that Jon Willis (aka Dr Tone) is using a Yammy Attitude on many of his clips. Just wondering whether this Geddy Lee preset on Helix is going to render my recently acquired VT Bass DI somewhat otiose?

 

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15 hours ago, Al Krow said:

I do believe that Jon Willis (aka Dr Tone) is using a Yammy Attitude on many of his clips. Just wondering whether this Geddy Lee preset on Helix is going to render my recently acquired VT Bass DI somewhat otiose?

 

Where might one acquire the details of this preset/settings? I neeeeeeed to have it...

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Started trying to design the pickguard for my apocalypse project last night...  Its surprising how hard it is to do! I ended up looking at pictures of BB1500's and loosely used that for design inspiration. 

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52 minutes ago, Muzz said:

Where might one acquire the details of this preset/settings? I neeeeeeed to have it...

I'm assuming you have a Helix? If so then his patches are available for download at http://drtonelab.com/

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

I'm assuming you have a Helix? If so then his patches are available for download at http://drtonelab.com/

Oh my worrrrrrd...now there's a Stomptastic resource; thanks for that, Al  👍

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4 hours ago, Muzz said:

Oh my worrrrrrd...now there's a Stomptastic resource; thanks for that, Al  👍

In that case I’d look here as well

 

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If anyone's interested, bit more progress over the past couple of days. Rushed to get the last coat of laquer on before it got dark, and I don't know if I've buggered it up a bit though.... 😬 We'll see in the morning! 🤞

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Posted (edited)

I forgot about this site!

 

David Neely (Hollywood) did this refinish, for me. Lake Placid Blue fretless Yamaha BB5000 (1987 Taiwan). I have two white MIJ BB5000s.

 

 

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Finally got around to putting my BBN5 back together last night, the pickguard still needs finishing and fitting properly, headstock decal needs doing, soldering electronics and a general setup and clean, but I think it's looking pretty bloody good! 

Quite chuffed tbh. 😊

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27 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Finally got around to putting my BBN5 back together last night, the pickguard still needs finishing and fitting properly, headstock decal needs doing, soldering electronics and a general setup and clean, but I think it's looking pretty bloody good! 

Quite chuffed tbh. 😊

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Very nice

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