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Just now, AndyTravis said:

The problem is on MM/P basses is that the MM very rarely ends up where a MM pickup should be.

i bought a Sandberg MM/J a good few years ago, and aside from a few other bits I didn’t like about it (in the end) it certainly never sounded like a MM pickup.

Didn’t help that I bought a 1994 stingray on the same day which was a beauty.

That is because it was never meant to be in the Ray position or indeed sound like a Ray in its construction/sound etc.

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13 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

That is because it was never meant to be in the Ray position or indeed sound like a Ray in its construction/sound etc.

Well yes, Johnny facetiouspants.

But given the choice, I’d want a MM pickup in that position.

I was more bothered that it felt like a £500 Mexican Fender.

Shouldve bought the SR5 I’d tried the week before 🙄

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2 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

Well yes, Johnny facetiouspants.

But given the choice, I’d want a MM pickup in that position.

I was more bothered that it felt like a £500 Mexican Fender.

Shouldve bought the SR5 I’d tried the week before 🙄

More like Factpants.

I think we get each other’s point tho.

So many peeps think because it looks like a ‘Ray’ or ‘MM’ pick up and is in roughly the same place then it will sound like one, and then are disappointed/upset etc when it doesn’t.

When something is not what you expect to hear, you always get a response which may be less favourable than it otherwise could have been.

Only a Ray sounds like a Ray, position, magnets, pre-amp etc.

It you didn’t like the feel, that’s cool too, plenty we all do and don’t like positive and negative 

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5 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

More like Factpants.

I think we get each other’s point tho.

So many peeps think because it looks like a ‘Ray’ or ‘MM’ pick up and is in roughly the same place then it will sound like one, and then are disappointed/upset etc when it doesn’t.

When something is not what you expect to hear, you always get a response which may be less favourable than it otherwise could have been.

Only a Ray sounds like a Ray, position, magnets, pre-amp etc.

It you didn’t like the feel, that’s cool too, plenty we all do and don’t like positive and negative 

It wasn’t brown. If it’d been brown...I would’ve loved it.

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30 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

The problem is on MM/P basses is that the MM very rarely ends up where a MM pickup should be.

i bought a Sandberg MM/J a good few years ago, and aside from a few other bits I didn’t like about it (in the end) it certainly never sounded like a MM pickup.

Didn’t help that I bought a 1994 stingray on the same day which was a beauty.

Lol, can't believe I'm spending the entire day in agreement with you Mr T. Getting decidedly dull... 😄

That Schecter did look like it's worth checking out, though, maybe the closest I've spotted to a P/MM that is going to be delivering on both P and MM, with some seriously decent pups. And let's be honest, the Diamond series are a pretty tasty looking bass too. 

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Those Schecter bridge humbuckers are closer to a beefed up Jazz pickup than an MM.

I've never seen a P/MM with the MM close to the Stingray sweet spot except my modded Westone Thunder that has an MM pickup almost touching the P. The pickups don't sound that great combined due to the proximity I guess, but there's 2 classic bass sounds you can easily flick between!

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Carey Nordstrand made a P/MM for Dan Lutz with both pups nearer their native sweet spots:

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13 hours ago, dannybuoy said:

Those Schecter bridge humbuckers are closer to a beefed up Jazz pickup than an MM.

I've never seen a P/MM with the MM close to the Stingray sweet spot except my modded Westone Thunder that has an MM pickup almost touching the P. The pickups don't sound that great combined due to the proximity I guess, but there's 2 classic bass sounds you can easily flick between!

 

13 hours ago, CameronJ said:

Carey Nordstrand made a P/MM for Dan Lutz with both pups nearer their native sweet spots:

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The pups in true 'sweet spot' position really are fugly aren't they and makes total sense that they are going to interfere with each other being in such close proximity, so no equivalent of the P+J that the a lot of us like on the Yammy.

The Schecters I was making reference to are out of production (and turn out to be just 20 frets).

Hmmm...maybe after all of that it's safe to conclude that if you want a Stingray get a Stingray and that Yammy got something very right with their PJ configuration.

Although the Yammy modded Ray "Travis" could yet get a cult following :) 

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I heard demo’s of the Dan Lutz model when Carey did a video. I suggest folks check it out before speculating on what it’s issues are. It’s a fine sounding bass and doesn’t suffer phase issues etc and it’s super responsive -hand placement making a difference etc all the stuff folks extol the virtues of on bass forums. I’d take a DL VM5 if Carey wanted to give me one and happily use it as my only bass! It sounds 

I agree with the idea of if you want a MM get a MM, if you want a p get a p etc. I had a thunderbird pick up in my p bass and it sounded great but it’s not a p bass sound. I’ve put a (reverse) p back into that bass and it sounds more traditional. Actually I could put a Bigman with three way switch into my p bass down the line 🤔

Oh and check out the Bigman demo where the coils can be split with bridge coil, mm, neck coil. Interesting the tonal difference from the one pick up. 

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I´m curious, what pickup and tone settings do you BB fanatics usually use? I´m usually on the P pickup tone full on, sometimes both pickups on and tone down a bit to tame the brightness.

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1 minute ago, Vanheusen77 said:

I´m curious, what pickup and tone settings do you BB fanatics usually use? I´m usually on the P pickup tone full on, sometimes both pickups on and tone down a bit to tame the brightness.

P/J (414) fully open most of the time, with the bridge pickup closer to the strings. Rolling tone back for more chilled tunes.

for the BS - will Find out tomorrow 😂

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Posted (edited)

BB 1025 tone settings:

1. PJ - full volume and 8 to 10 tone = main default

2. P solo or PJ - both at full volume, tone dialled right back = Motown

3. J solo - full volume and 8 to10 tone = cut through on the low B string (e.g. Uptown Funk)

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...oh and I'm definitely more of a "fan" than a "fanatic" :)
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Singer messaged me about a bass he’d seen on eBay...

£150, with a 30w Marshall and all learning materials.

2 miles down the road...

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11 minutes ago, krispn said:

Nab it for me - I could be doing with them books!

I’m having the bass. I’ve told him he can have a left handed 3/4 Harley Benton my lad doesn’t use.

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And this one has come up for sale on eBay within 2 miles from me! No bass books but a Hiscox case included in the relatively "full" asking price.

It's one of those hardly ever seen Yamaha BB2005 models, described by the seller as "mint" although looking a little scuffed from the pics. But at 2/3 price of a typical NE2 maybe worth checking out.

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3 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

And this one has come up for sale on eBay within 2 miles from me! No bass books but a Hiscox case included in the relatively "full" asking price.

It's one of those hardly ever seen Yamaha BB2005 models, described by the seller as "mint" although looking a little scuffed from the pics. But at 2/3 price of a typical NE2 maybe worth checking out.

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There was a black Nathan East version on Facebook for £1300 the other day. 🙄

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Any idea what this model is, Andy? Has the 425 bridge, really unusual set of stacked knobs and 2 x 9V batteries. Also fs on eBay. I'm intrigued...

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3 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

Any idea what this model is, Andy? Has the 425 bridge, really unusual set of stacked knobs and 2 x 9V batteries. Also fs on eBay. I'm intrigued...

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Modded 415wr.

wouldnt bother personally. Depends what the preamp is.

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3 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

Modded 415wr.

wouldnt bother personally. Depends what the preamp is.

I'm guessing an OBP-3 given 18V. But just a guess!

12 minutes ago, AndyTravis said:

There was a black Nathan East version on Facebook for £1300 the other day. 🙄

Bet that didn't hang about too long then!

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1 minute ago, AndyTravis said:

How much is that 415 on for?

£219

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Just now, Al Krow said:

£219

Just found it...no specifics on preamp.

er.

Id say get a 415 and choose your own pre. 

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Nah - happy with my 1025. Just thought it might have been some weird exotic early model. But it's essentially a prototype 735A by a Trav protege who probably went on to quietly invent the BB Musicman bass...

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