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For anyone who's interested in the differences between the pickups, I just had a conversation with Yamaha, and they kindly sent me a chart showing the differences. There's not actually that much difference between the V5 and V7 pickups;

-the coil wires are enamel coated on V7 vs urethane coated on V5

-V5 have slightly more windings, and a slightly hotter output

-V7 has cloth covered leads and V5 has vinyl

Other than that they're the same magnets, bobbins, wire gauge, etc, etc. 

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Ah cloth covered leads instead of vinyl. I knew there was a good reason for all that extra cost 😂

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7 hours ago, TRBboy said:

I have a nicely worn in set of SS Dunlop Super brights (40-120) on my BBN5, and I use them on all my basses. They sound great IMHO, and even though I use a light gauge, they're low tension and stainless, they have a huge low /low mid response, and really punchy! They are very bright out the box, but I always figure it's easier to dull down a bright string than try to make a dull string sound bright! I love the feel of them, so easy to play. 

Since I first tried them, I don't use other (roundwound) strings. The lower tension is incredibly comfortable and they tend to last. At first I have to turn the tone know (or the treble) a little bit down,.

6 hours ago, dannybuoy said:

Don't get me wrong, there will be amps out there that would sound glorious with the BB straight in. An Ampeg tube monster set to ear bleeding levels for example! But my Orange Terror doesn't have much tone shaping on offer, so I treat it like a power amp, and treat my preamp pedal as an extension of that. So in theory, I am plugged 'straight in' to my chosen preamp/poweramp combination!

An active bass will not deliver what I'm after though, I want more than just a clean EQ. Bass sounds wrong to me without a bit of drive!

I use all my basses with the Tone Hammer preamp. With my BBs (734 and 735) I just use it as DI, but since I'm going ampless 99% I needed one. However, it also gives me some tonal options in the mids that the BB preamp doesn't have. Still, I don't usually use the EQ with my BBs.

And what you people were talking about increasing the mids in the BB, with the 735 I just boost a little bit the mids and it sounds awesome with the P pickup or with both (I don't like it that much only with the bridge one).

 

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1 hour ago, javi_bassist said:

Since I first tried them, I don't use other (roundwound) strings. The lower tension is incredibly comfortable and they tend to last. At first I have to turn the tone know (or the treble) a little bit down,.

I use all my basses with the Tone Hammer preamp. With my BBs (734 and 735) I just use it as DI, but since I'm going ampless 99% I needed one. However, it also gives me some tonal options in the mids that the BB preamp doesn't have. Still, I don't usually use the EQ with my BBs.

And what you people were talking about increasing the mids in the BB, with the 735 I just boost a little bit the mids and it sounds awesome with the P pickup or with both (I don't like it that much only with the bridge one).

 

Earlier, I thought I was set on a 435,but now you're making me think about the 735 again! 😂😭

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I'm guessing a 735 in passive mode will pretty much sound like a 435. Does the treble control turn into a tone control in passive mode?

Still lusting after a black 735A to complement my black 1025X, but have other spending priorities in life right now. Although if I join a band again, I will surely need a backup, that will one day be my excuse!

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2 minutes ago, dannybuoy said:

I'm guessing a 735 in passive mode will pretty much sound like a 435. Does the treble control turn into a tone control in passive mode?

Still lusting after a black 735A to complement my black 1025X, but have other spending priorities in life right now. Although if I join a band again, I will surely need a backup, that will one day be my excuse!

I'd guess it'll sound more like the P35 in passive mode, as it has the same pickups, same body construction, and same bridge. I believe the treble control does act as a passive tone control. 

I'd love a black one too, but the coffee burst one belonging to our friend @jrixn1 is looking increasingly tempting..... 

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9 minutes ago, dannybuoy said:

 Does the treble control turn into a tone control in passive mode?

Yes it does.

 

3 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

I'd love a black one too, but the coffee burst one belonging to our friend @jrixn1 is looking increasingly tempting..... 

I'm obviously biased, but yes I think it's classy 😎

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On 26/08/2019 at 10:46, TRBboy said:

Scored a BBN5 for very little not long ago, in very good nick! Bought as a backup /practice bass, but it is fantastic, I really love this era of BB's. Planning to refinish in a teal/turquoise stain, make a cream jazz bass style scratchplate, and change the knobs for cream speed knobs. Thought I was going to change pickups, but they sound superb, pretty hot too! 

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On 26/08/2019 at 11:35, TRBboy said:

All time dependant really Al, have a kitchen to finish, benches to make, various other DIY things which have to take priority at the moment! Not sure about the pickguard yet, think it'll be a PITA to make...  Maybe do the refinish and knobs first, then see how I feel about it. 

So how is the kitchen coming along?! 😀

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49 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

 

So how is the kitchen coming along?! 😀

Erm..... Still a few bits and bobs to do, kind of at that point where its more or less done, it's just getting round to actually finishing it! Time has been against me though recently I must say.... 

Was thinking earlier I'm actually tempted to gig this bass on Friday, I normally take it as backup, but tempted to use it for the gig this week. 

Very close to ordering a 435 though I think.....

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41 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Very close to ordering a 435 though I think.....

You do realise that your much heralded flirtation with possibly getting a BB 435 / 735A / P35 has a bunch of us sellers feeling like a Yammy version of Love Island don't you? 😁

Btw if you ever refi your N5 in vintage white, or that lovely gloss black that @TheGreek has, it's going to be a head turner!

Although I appreciate there is quite a head of steam for orange being the new black on this thread. It isn't 😂

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10 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

You do realise that your much heralded flirtation with possibly getting a BB 435 / 735A / P35 has a bunch of us sellers feeling like a Yammy version of Love Island don't you? 😁

Btw if you ever refi your N5 in vintage white, or that lovely gloss black that @TheGreek has, it's going to be a head turner!

Although I appreciate there is quite a head of steam for orange being the new black on this thread. It isn't 😂

😂 It's a balance of a lot of factors with this really, and I want to choose right because a) this will probably become my main bass, and B) I'm a fussy bugger! 

Trying to balance cost vs weight vs which one is likely to give me the 'traditional' tone I'm after vs VFM. Due to these things, I think the 435 is likely to give me the best balance of what I want. The prospect of potentially selling my two custom made Sandbergs and my main bass being a mid-range, mass produced instrument feels both insane and liberating in equal measure! 

Your P35 is very nice. 

 

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BTW, I was planning to refin the N5 with a stain rather than paint, as it will be a LOT less hassle! 😉👍 I agree though, white would look killer, kind of a poor man's Nathan East sig. 

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5 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

BTW, I was planning to refin the N5 with a stain rather than paint, as it will be a LOT less hassle! 😉👍 I agree though, white would look killer, kind of a poor man's Nathan East sig. 

Go on finish it in a stunning gloss white, buy yourself a NE1 pedal for £60 (used) and you've got yourself a Nathan East sig for a fraction of the price. Now there's a thought!...

Yup selling a Sandberg (with Delano pups) is the very definition of liberation - I can vouch for that! 

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11 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

BTW, I was planning to refin the N5 with a stain rather than paint, as it will be a LOT less hassle! 😉👍 I agree though, white would look killer, kind of a poor man's Nathan East sig. 

Depends on what stain you want and how to achieve it.

You are likely to need to sand the original finish all the way off, then sand smooth, then stain and then use multiple coats of Tru oil/gun oil over the top to get a Matt or a glossy finish.

With a block colour, you can still sand back lightly, but not to bare wood, the paint just needs somewhere to stick to. Use a Nitro spray can, probably better to use a primer first partly to prep, but partly to get used to the technique of spraying, then your colour with as many coats as you need and buff. If you use a metallic finish you will probably need a clear lacquer on top.

Both take their time in various ways. If you haven’t got a Graphite paint shielded cavity/pick up rout, may as well do that at the same time, that will make it awesome

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1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

Go on finish it in a stunning gloss white, buy yourself a NE1 pedal for £60 (used) and you've got yourself a Nathan East sig for a fraction of the price. Now there's a thought!...

Yup selling a Sandberg (with Delano pups) is the very definition of liberation - I can vouch for that! 

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Unpopular opinion maybe, but I had a BB605 with NE preamp, and I didn't care for the preamp at all! 😬 It was the main reason I sold it. 

Curious about your sandberg experience now also! 

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1 hour ago, Cuzzie said:

Depends on what stain you want and how to achieve it.

You are likely to need to sand the original finish all the way off, then sand smooth, then stain and then use multiple coats of Tru oil/gun oil over the top to get a Matt or a glossy finish.

With a block colour, you can still sand back lightly, but not to bare wood, the paint just needs somewhere to stick to. Use a Nitro spray can, probably better to use a primer first partly to prep, but partly to get used to the technique of spraying, then your colour with as many coats as you need and buff. If you use a metallic finish you will probably need a clear lacquer on top.

Both take their time in various ways. If you haven’t got a Graphite paint shielded cavity/pick up rout, may as well do that at the same time, that will make it awesome

I had been thinking about some matt valspar varnish I'd seen in B&Q tbh, I jest not! 😉

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26 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

I had been thinking about some matt valspar varnish I'd seen in B&Q tbh, I jest not! 😉

Well it is polyurethane.........How much coloration does it give?

it’s all about the grain, of you have a nice grain, you can easily keep it clear-ish

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9 hours ago, TRBboy said:

Curious about your sandberg experience now also! 

Sandberg TM4. Lovely well made bass and my goto bass for several years. Limitations for me were mainly finding the Delano pups too civilised, and not wanting to spend ££s on another set of pups; but also transitioning to active basses and preferring 3 band EQs over 2 band. So it was not for me and I've since moved mine on and subsequently discovered the delights of Ibbys, Yammys and most recently Spectors (having flirted with a couple of Warwicks along the way).

But there are plenty of BC'ers who hold Bergs in very high regard and are very happy with them.

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Finally made a decision, BB435 ordered and should be here tomorrow in time for the gig! 😁👍👌

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Might be a stupid question, but do you need extra long scale strings for the through - body stringing on the newer BB's? 

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14 minutes ago, TRBboy said:

Might be a stupid question, but do you need extra long scale strings for the through - body stringing on the newer BB's? 

I use the same Ernie Ball that I used in my Jazz Bass Hybrid Slinky (orange bag)

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1 minute ago, javi_bassist said:

I use the same Ernie Ball that I used in my Jazz Bass Hybrid Slinky (orange bag)

Okay cool, thanks, so standard long scale I assume? 

Don't think I'm going to have time to restring it before the gig tmrw night, but I'm sure I'll cope fine with the stock strings. 

Really hope it's every bit as good as I think it's gonna be! 😁

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2 hours ago, TRBboy said:

Okay cool, thanks, so standard long scale I assume? 

Don't think I'm going to have time to restring it before the gig tmrw night, but I'm sure I'll cope fine with the stock strings. 

Really hope it's every bit as good as I think it's gonna be! 😁

Hope you like the bass, I used the stock string for some time, not a bad string, but I changed to Ernie Ball Super Slinky 2834 Nickel Strings 45-100 (Pink Bag)

Then after that Ernie Ball Group 3 Flats 45 to 100, I still have them on, but depends what type of music you're playing !  

I would say you'll have to set it up to your own liking,   anyway best of luck with the new bass.

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16 minutes ago, whamni said:

Hope you like the bass, I used the stock string for some time, not a bad string, but I changed to Ernie Ball Super Slinky 2834 Nickel Strings 45-100 (Pink Bag)

Then after that Ernie Ball Group 3 Flats 45 to 100, I still have them on, but depends what type of music you're playing !  

I would say you'll have to set it up to your own liking,   anyway best of luck with the new bass.

Thanks! Yeah I would imagine they come with D'addario nickel as standard, that's what Yamaha usually use. 

There'll be nothing wrong with them, other than I'm very used to my usual strings! I use Dunlop super brights stainless 40-120,and because of the gauge and lower tension they're so easy to play, and I get on with them really well. May try and change them quickly before the gig, but if not I'll cope. 😊👍

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