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Was wondering whether anyone's tried using speakers like these in their bass rig:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15-Bass-PA-Disco-Speaker-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ270144714685QQihZ017QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

They're inexpensive, compact and pretty lightweight... I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment?

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[quote name='therealting' post='32110' date='Jul 15 2007, 12:18 PM']Was wondering whether anyone's tried using speakers like these in their bass rig:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15-Bass-PA-Disco-Speaker-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ270144714685QQihZ017QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

They're inexpensive, compact and pretty lightweight... I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment?[/quote]
Cheap junk IMO.

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Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better?

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[quote name='therealting' post='32110' date='Jul 15 2007, 07:18 PM']I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment?[/quote]
Frequency Response - 20 Hz to 500 Hz

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Ok, I'll repeat...

Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better?

I know they have bad frequency response, but that's mainly because of the low-pass filter. I'm mainly wondering what they are like as cabs. For 50 quid a cab, I don't mind paying to put new speakers in.

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[quote name='therealting' post='32413' date='Jul 16 2007, 10:46 AM']Ok, I'll repeat...

Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better?

I know they have bad frequency response, but that's mainly because of the low-pass filter. I'm mainly wondering what they are like as cabs. For 50 quid a cab, I don't mind paying to put new speakers in.[/quote]

I'll guess it's both. The speakers won't be up to much, and the cabinet design won't be particularly efficient. You need a true horn loaded design for that. Take a look at [url="http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/"]this web site[/url].

There is plenty to mull over on this site, and you should be able to build an Omni 10 for roughly the same amount as the eBay cabinet pair. One Omni 10 will go louder than both these cabs, as Bill's speakers are very good at converting Watts into sound level. Bill knows what he is doing, and has designed a range of speakers that surpass most big name commercial designs in efficiency and performance.

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Just to be a sort of fly in the ointment...

We did a festival type gig a bit back ago and forgot to load my 1x15 , leaving just my mini 48. What was in the trailer were 2 turbo sound bass bins from our PA which weren't needed that day so I hooked up one of those. Got a phenomenal sound!!

It was a one off though. Horses for courses generally and sure you could find a scruffy old bass guitar cab that the great unwashed can spill their pints on.

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[quote name='Dr.Dave' post='32449' date='Jul 16 2007, 07:11 AM']2 turbo sound bass bins from our PA which weren't needed that day so I hooked up one of those. Got a phenomenal sound!!
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Of course you did, because they're high quality cabs that cost at least twenty times what the boxes in question here do. I suspect the entire reason for the poster's question is that he's seeking an inexpensive alternative to traditional bass cabs. The short answer: you get what you pay for.

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Again, thanks for all your input. I'll definitely not get these cabs!

Sure, the low cost appeals to me, but I'm also attracted by their compact size and light weight. What about something like this:

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AudioPro-Proel-500-watt-12-Mini-Sub-Bass-Bins-Pair_W0QQitemZ280131804159QQihZ018QQcategoryZ23794QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AudioPro-Proel-500-w...oQQcmdZViewItem[/url]

Or should I generally avoid bass bins in favour of bass cabs?

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Cabs designed for bass guitar (or eub) are designed for bass guitar. Cabs designed for PA (particularly low end of the market not designed to take a fully mike'd or DI'd band) are not designed for bass guitar. The Ox used cabs using PA design principles like folded horn bass bins, acitve crossovers etc but they were a lot more than £300 a pair.

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