rogerds Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) My sad tale...I know... I know... we should NEVER do it ! Home late & tired after a gig.... hand in cast after a skiing accident... can manage the bass up the steps.. 'thinks'.. cab & amp will be ok in locked and alarmed car till the morning....and a gig the following night next morning... car door open....bag with amp and leads in... gone (the only thing I can think of is that, struggling with front door key with hand in a cast... i probably hit the remote locking button on the car kay and unlocked the car... prat !) local police sympathetic and carry out door-to-door that eve in case.... nothing i leave info round local cash converters & music shops a few days pass.... advertised on ebay ! but I can't tell ebay its stolen - they wont accept it from you or I - only from the police - and ebay make them jump through hoops too... seller.... new id / zero feedback / payment only by paypal / & so sorry but collection not possible...... hmmmmm what do you think? it really is far too easy to set up false id with ebay / paypal - sell stuff, collect the money and disappear In the meantime of course someone, in all good faith, has bid (&won) the auction and (hopefully) will receive *my* GB ! so..... what should I have done? Bid to win ? - and therefore give my name & address to someone who *may* be a criminal without knowing any of their details? and they could recognise mine? Ask the seller a question? - and potentially give away any unique features? The chap / chapess who bought it did so in good faith and it is possible, indeed, that the seller believed they were the rightful owner - in which case, although originally stolen the question of actual ownership now is really complicated (i used to think that the person it was stolen from still retained a legal right to it - not necessarily the case apparently!) It is possible that the buyer may be able to claim a refund through ebay / paypal's buyer protection schemes if an item is proven to be stolen (on the bright side.... it does mean that i had to get hold of another amp quickly - bought from a great basschat'er (not ebay !) so am enjoying testing out a different make...) what would you have done? (apart from not leaving gear in the car !) Edited January 8, 2017 by rogerds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 If you know it's your amp, then I'd contact the buyer & let him know that the amp was stolen from you, get it back , get the details of the seller from him & contact the police (or the big man). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushers Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The seller wont have got the money yet from paypal with a new id so I would contact ebay and the buyer so the tea leaf gets nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerds Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 Buyers Id is hidden from everyone except the seller.! (I should have mentioned.. I would happily reimburse the buyer to get my stuff back... After all its not their fault) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 the legal owner (the person from whom it was stolen) is still the legal owner regardless of ANY circumstances inbetween - ignorance or lack of knowledge of the property's origins is not an exemption in law to allow some unwitting third party to become the new legal owner you are still the legal owner and the thief is still the thief - anybody else who has unfortunately also been caught up in the chain of events is also a victim of deception/fraud by the original thief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushers Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Get in touch with ebay then thief gets no money the buyer gets refunded and eventually you get your amp back if you have serial numbers etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Police should be able to contact ebay and get the details of the seller and follow it up. The amp was stolen property. If it was yours and can be proven to be yours, you shoudl get it back and the buyer needs to take it up with the seller and ebay though their systems. It' syours, mate. Go get it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerds Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 have reported it to local police and 'actionfraud' and spoken with ebay (second time with someone helpful who says is passing on to ebay fraud dept...) so... hopefully... info will be released by ebay to police.....then we take it from there steve-bbb ... thats exactly what i always thought ! - but someone said its not *always* the case if no criminal intent on behalf of buyer and seller ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 [quote name='rogerds' timestamp='1392380753' post='2367924'] have reported it to local police and 'actionfraud' and spoken with ebay (second time with someone helpful who says is passing on to ebay fraud dept...) so... hopefully... info will be released by ebay to police.....then we take it from there steve-bbb ... thats exactly what i always thought ! - but someone said its not *always* the case if no criminal intent on behalf of buyer and seller ?? [/quote] I'd assume that might exempt the buyer from prosecution for handling stolen goods, but does not move the title of ownership from you to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerds Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 just to finish the story - the good news is that an 'on-the-ball' local bobby, whilst checking out the details of another case of 'stuff' on ebay (apparently - there's a lot of it going on) - thought he recognised the name of the so-called 'seller' - and, lo and behold, whilst checking his 'stash' - what should they come across but a GB Shuttle ! Completely false ebay ID etc - 500 miles away from his true address... Not actually in my hands yet - still required as 'evidence' - but should be back soon ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblueplanet Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 [quote name='rogerds' timestamp='1392339005' post='2367699']The chap / chapess who bought it did so in good faith and it is possible, indeed, that the seller believed they were the rightful owner - in which case, although originally stolen the question of actual ownership now is really complicated (i used to think that the person it was stolen from still retained a legal right to it - not necessarily the case apparently!)[/quote] It's one of the differences between English and Scots law. Buying north of the border in genuine "good faith" puts you in a strong position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerds Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 happy ending.... chap prosecuted - found guilty -- slap on the wrist -- joke! but I then get my GB Shuttle back plus my leads and its working fine ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Good news,- maybe update the thread title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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