wateroftyne Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Here you go. On the surface of it... disappointing. [url="http://www.jollybeggars.co.uk/bassforum/prom2012.jpg"]Here's a link to the full image.[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't understand why they would even think of downgrading the amp of its power/features without still retaining the original model as well?! Bad move Ibanez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Yeah.. I shall hang on to my combo for dear life. It's irreplaceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Erm...big old speakers and 200w off the mini head? A bit odd. Maybe they'll be cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Man, that's a weird turn out. I think the cut in power is to get the overall size right down, to keep up with their competitors. Going with a 15" combo seems insane though. I really hoped they would've gone down the 1X12" modular route, my only real complaint about the 1X10" Combo is that it lacks a tiny bit of bootey. We'll see, there might be another page to the catalogue, or perhaps a "Promethean Pro" line is in the pipe, who knows... Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Looks all built down to a price, rather than a vision of what the company should want to aspire to. shame, count me out. Lots of key info missing to back up the designs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Hi Guys Here are the retails ex vat (but I'd expect these to be the average street price) P115CC £279 P410CC £359 P210KC £259 P300H £219 P3115 £319 Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Oh dear. They've just positioned themselves as yet another mid range supplier. The existing Promethean range has built it's reputation on 'word of mouth' driving perspective consumers to try out a product range from a manufacturer not generally associated with amplification. Once you have a position in the market it's fine to diversify but suicide to totally change position. I very much doubt Promethean will be around in two years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1326470241' post='1497703'] Oh dear. They've just positioned themselves as yet another mid range supplier. The existing Promethean range has built it's reputation on 'word of mouth' driving perspective consumers to try out a product range from a manufacturer not generally associated with amplification. Once you have a position in the market it's fine to diversify but suicide to totally change position. I very much doubt Promethean will be around in two years time. [/quote] Actually Ibanez have been manufacturing Amplification for quite a long time now..... and have quite a range of products Have a look here - http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/ele_top11.php?area_id=3&year=2011 I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum that Ibanez are intending to expand the Promethean range so you will see more products throughout the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icastle Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1326470805' post='1497713'] Actually Ibanez have been manufacturing Amplification for quite a long time now..... and have quite a range of products Have a look here - [url="http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/ele_top11.php?area_id=3&year=2011"]http://www.ibanez.co..._id=3&year=2011[/url] [/quote] Well blow me down! Having said that though, I've never seen anyone using it, never seen it in the shops and can't remember seeing it online among the Promethean stuff. [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1326470805' post='1497713'] I have mentioned elsewhere on this forum that Ibanez are intending to expand the Promethean range so you will see more products throughout the year. [/quote] Yep. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that the P5110 is what they're going to expand from and not replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwoff Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 You used to be able to buy a 100W Tran head with 2 4x12s from Ibanez for somthing like 600 quid. Neeedless to say it was cack but if you absolutely had to have a full stack? Deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='icastle' timestamp='1326474463' post='1497786'] Well blow me down! Having said that though, I've never seen anyone using it, never seen it in the shops and can't remember seeing it online among the Promethean stuff. [/quote] that's because UK isn't really a key market for the stuff.... We have our home grown brands that dominate such as Marshall, Laney etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) I've got one of the 35w Soundwave combos as a practice amp (before they revamped the design, I don't like the look of the new ones, mine looks like [url="http://altomusic.com/shop/Ibanez-SWX35-35W-1x10-Bass-Combo-Amp_pid101311.am"]this[/url]). It's a great little combo, you can get some really nice tones out of it. Shame it's not big enough to gig. I hope Ibanez widen the range in the Promethean range as if that's all they're doing in the catalogue snippit then it's a backward step IMV. Edited January 13, 2012 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Strange move, I wonder why they've done it? One of the guys who supplies our gear for our Scandinavian dates who works for Ibanez sorted me out with a Promethean rig as part of a backline one night and I couldn't help but feel it was already a little underpowered for what I needed. Seemed to lack something about it, so a move like this I can only view as a bad one! Edited January 14, 2012 by risingson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Been considering a Promethean for a while. The new Promethean model makes the Beta Alvin manufactured Harley Benton BA500H seem more appealing to me now. Edited January 14, 2012 by nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) I've had problems with/am not totally impressed by my Promethean combo (I've owned it for a month, had it to use for 3 days), but even so this looks like backward step. Having said that if the speaker in the 15" combo can actually take the power of the in-built amp without 'clicking', than that's something. (and I'd have to stick a label saying 'Fat' over the 'Phat' legend!) Edited January 14, 2012 by Count Bassy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1326582080' post='1499253'] Having said that if the speaker in the 15" combo can actually take the power of the in-built amp without 'clicking', than that's something. [/quote] To be fair, that's not the norm. You were just unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1326582311' post='1499256'] To be fair, that's not the norm. You were just unlucky. [/quote] Yes, I'm probably being a bit unfair, just my frustration showing through. I paid my £515 mid December and have so far had the combo for three days, during which it was faulty (based on your and others comments). I'm being told, by the retailer, that the combo is at the distributors and that the distributors have not got back to them yet. The retailer is telling me that this is a common problem with that distributor (but they could just be blaming someone else). Either way the first impression of this this new range is that it cheapens the image. I know that the originals weren't 'Boutique level', whatever that means, but these look more 'entry' level. Time will tell I guess. Edited January 14, 2012 by Count Bassy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1326583113' post='1499272'] Yes, I'm probably being a bit unfair, just my frustration showing through. I paid my £515 mid December and have so far had the combo for three days, during which it was faulty (based on your and others comments). I'm being told, by the retailer, that the combo is at the distributors and that the distributors have not got back to them yet. The retailer is telling me that this is a common problem with that distributor (but they could just be blaming someone else). Either way the first impression of this this new range is that it cheapens the image. I know that the originals weren't 'Boutique level', whatever that means, but these look more 'entry' level. Time will tell I guess. [/quote] TIme to get a refund and spend elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think you're right[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1326589753' post='1499353'] TIme to get a refund and spend elsewhere. [/quote] I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I had the 1x10" combo and the 1x10" extension cab, it sounded great but it lacked a bit of power handling on the low side. I was hoping for a 12" version of that stack! Why did Ibanez did this new series? It's completely wrong regarding all the expectations that people who tried the former series had in mind!!! Very bad move Ibanez!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Well, it seems Ibanez have the new amp/combo listed next to the old one: http://www.ibanez.com/Electronics/Series-Promethean_Head http://www.ibanez.com/Electronics/Series-Promethean_Combos Looks like perhaps they are an additional to the line...and they are cheaper: http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-promethean-p3115/56949 http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-promethean-p300h/56951 I don't understand it if they discontinue the existing line though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='eude' timestamp='1326461070' post='1497493'] I really hoped they would've gone down the 1X12" modular route, my only real complaint about the 1X10" Combo is that it lacks a tiny bit of bootey. [/quote] I have to disgree i think it throws out a huge amount of lowend for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='sk8' timestamp='1327564284' post='1513290'] I have to disgree[/quote] You would All I'm saying is that it gives out a little less than my old 1x12" set up, having said that, you're right, it does kick out an amazing sound considering it's smaller than a lot practice amps, and if you want more, whip out the head and put it through something bigger - truly the best of both worlds! Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1327524589' post='1512981'] Well, it seems Ibanez have the new amp/combo listed next to the old one: [url="http://www.ibanez.com/Electronics/Series-Promethean_Head"]http://www.ibanez.co...Promethean_Head[/url] [url="http://www.ibanez.com/Electronics/Series-Promethean_Combos"]http://www.ibanez.co...omethean_Combos[/url] Looks like perhaps they are an additional to the line...and they are cheaper: [url="http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-promethean-p3115/56949"]http://www.gak.co.uk...ean-p3115/56949[/url] [url="http://www.gak.co.uk/en/ibanez-promethean-p300h/56951"]http://www.gak.co.uk...ean-p300h/56951[/url] I don't understand it if they discontinue the existing line though. [/quote] Maybe they're marketing the newer kit to go up against the likes of the GK MB200, and leaving the previous models to continue to slug it out with the bigger boys? For the money, I can't fault the P500 kit, I really can't. It's right up there with it's competitors and undercuts most of them. I have to say though, I'm a little disappointed they didn't do anything a bit more exciting with the range, a bit of a refresh of the 500W model(s) would've been nice. Like I said above, a 12" cab and combo would've been very nice, if you've heard how much they can get out of a single 10", imagine what they could do with a 12"!... A cosmetic refersh is always nice too, however I still think the kit looks good. Maybe they'll do something for Summer Namm 2012?..... Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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