discreet Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1318102186' post='1398183'] Why would playing in tune be a bad thing??? [/quote] I'm not saying it [i]is[/i] a bad thing, I'm saying that a very subtle push or pull here and there tuning-wise can make things more interesting sonically, rather than obsessing about having every instrument spot-on all the time. Edit: spelling. Edited October 8, 2011 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstrike Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1318100414' post='1398153'] About 150 years ago I seem to remember even name bands shambling on stage and proceeding to tune up in front of the audience, sometimes at length and with varying degrees of success depending on how drunk/stoned/tripping/mad the musicians were at the time. [/quote] How old are you?! On topic, no, they haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panamonte Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1318100760' post='1398166'] You've not seen my band then - fretless bass, slide guitar, lap steel guitar, voices, so digital tuning guarantees nothing. [/quote] Sounds great - when's your next gig? (As one Brightonian to another). [quote name='Wolverinebass' timestamp='1318108638' post='1398261'] I remember reading in a biography of Paul Weller that when the Jam recorded All Mod Cons or maybe Setting Sons, their producer Vic Coppersmith-Heaven, I think) said "I wished Paul wouldn't insist on using Rickenbackers. They just won't stay in tune!! We must have wasted 3 whole days just tuning them." [/quote] Another problem Vic Coppersmith-Heaven had with Weller was getting him to take the gum out of his gob before vocal takes. That's what he told me anyway... Edited October 8, 2011 by Panamonte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 [quote name='Panamonte' timestamp='1318116156' post='1398347'] Sounds great - when's your next gig? (As one Brightonian to another). [/quote] Not until March 2nd 2012. We need to do something about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panamonte Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1318116570' post='1398351'] Not until March 2nd 2012. We need to do something about that.[/quote] It's in the diary (let me know where it is nearer the time ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillbilly deluxe Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1318113017' post='1398319'] You've not seen my other band then - guitarist off on one, drummer off on another one, and me wondering what's the key and where's the one. EDIT: BTW, Ginger who? [/quote] Ginger Mitchell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1946 Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote]About 150 years ago I seem to remember[/quote] wow, gosh etc' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiOgon Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1318113017' post='1398319'] EDIT: BTW, Ginger who? [/quote] Oops - another senior moment must've had Cream on the brain Mitch of course! Speaking of which, some of Jack Bruce's old stuff is all over the place Cheerz, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='Panamonte' timestamp='1318117131' post='1398353'] It's in the diary (let me know where it is nearer the time ) [/quote] Will do. BTW, and fortunately, we do have fretted instruments as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1318100414' post='1398153'] About 150 years ago I seem to remember even name bands shambling on stage and proceeding to tune up in front of the audience, sometimes at length and with varying degrees of success depending on how drunk/stoned/tripping/mad the musicians were at the time. [/quote] I give in, I was trying to find you in the Guiness Book of records as the oldest living person but you name's not there. Do you go by any other names? I remember at 19 tuning up with the guitarist and everything was hunky dory then we got a keyboard player and suddenly we're both out of tune and it was awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='Delberthot' timestamp='1318152232' post='1398484'] I give in, I was trying to find you in the Guinness Book of records as the oldest living person but you name's not there. Do you go by any other names? [/quote] I give in too, I was exaggerating for effect. Let's say it was about 40 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I remember reading that the sound engineer for ABBA used to triple track all of the instruments, and put one track just slightly out of tune and the other slightly out of time. I think that's one of the things that made them sound so interesting and unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefyeggo Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 The answer to the OP's question, of course, is ....... possibly. It all depends on how you define 'the vibe' and how important it is to you. My opinion, for what that is worth, is that guitars that go out of tune are a total pain in the arse. And what will happen when we have guitars that have in-built automatic tuning, with small motors linked to an inbuilt digital tuner? Personally I'd like to see that, but I know that a lot of folk wouldn't... but vive la difference, as the man once said. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='Beefyeggo' timestamp='1318153865' post='1398509'] And what will happen when we have guitars that have in-built automatic tuning, with small motors linked to an inbuilt digital tuner? [/quote] Or guitars which virtually play themselves, à la [i]GarageBand[/i]? But that's a whole different thread right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Electric guitars - have they killed the vibe? Actually learning to play - has it killed the vibe? Vans that don't break down - have they killed the vibe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 You're killing the bloody vibe now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZt7VySrAEE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1318155110' post='1398533'] You're killing the bloody vibe now. [/quote] Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 That's what I call [i]real[/i] vibes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 [quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1318153795' post='1398506'] I remember reading that the sound engineer for ABBA used to triple track all of the instruments, and put one track just slightly out of tune and the other slightly out of time. I think that's one of the things that made them sound so interesting and unique. [/quote] This is similar to what a chorus pedal does. It emulates several instruments playing at the same time. It what you'll get naturally from a brass line. I suppose frets and keyboards make the instrument more likely to be in tune with itself. Thinking about it I can't now see how being in tune could make the music sound more clinical. There's far more going on than just notes. The timing has to be spot on as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 [quote name='Len_derby' timestamp='1318101979' post='1398180'] ....I think the mind-boggling dullness of some bands is nothing to do with the tuning. Out of tune they'd be even worse.... [/quote] +1 How can being out of tune improve anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 [quote name='Beefyeggo' timestamp='1318153865' post='1398509'] And what will happen when we have guitars that have in-built automatic tuning, with small motors linked to an inbuilt digital tuner? [/quote] We already have them - Gibson make a range of guitars that do exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 In my experience it takes musicians longer to tune to each other by ear than a quick run through an electronic tuner so how taking longer about it somehow improves the 'momentum' of a recording session I don't know. As for live situations I cringe when I see a band come onstage and then waste what seems like an eternity going throug that ''Ere Fred, give us a G will ya?'' rigmorole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Cheap digital tuners a few decades ago would have saved me from "The bass I never should have sold"[sup]TM[/sup] I allowed the guitard to convince me it was my bass that was going out of tune half an hour into every gig - not his guitar that spent the rest of the week tucked behind the sofa snuggled up next to the radiator! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I don't think that tuners 'kill the vibe' or anything. I think that where problems arise is when people rely on the needle on the tuner rather than their ears. If you play with a real piano,you are far better off tuning to that rather than use the tuner because it's likely that its not going to be perfectly in tune. As far as I'm concerned,it doesn't make any difference to the 'vibe' if you are all in tune,be that 'correctly' in tune or not,as long as you are in tune with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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