alexclaber

[quote name='Lw.' timestamp='1471612894' post='3114457']
Depends on whether you make 2.0l guzzlers or 1.4l "modern" cars :-)[/quote]

Well our biggest cab is an 8x10" and our smallest a 1x10" so I'd say we make all of the above!

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1471560014' post='3114092']^^^ I wonder where that's going...[/quote]

Imagine a car forum where someone says "I want a 2.0l saloon car to replace my 1.2l hatchback". Should you list a load of potential 2.0l cars or should you point out that you can get more power and more economy out of a modern direct injection turbocharged 1.4l engine, and more space/practicality from a compact MPV, to help the buyer make a better informed decision?

Do you actually want a 2x10" or simply a cab whose loudness/tone/bottom is in the same ballpark as a typical 2x10"?

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1471389691' post='3112797']
No I wouldn't think it would. But over time? I'm not sure it would be wise. But I'm really only theorising. I'm just thinking of the lighter build, not in quality or design I just mean in the cabs wall thickness than say a old trace or peavey cab.
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We often use unfinished One10 cabs as handy steps in the factory. I've yet to come across an amp that weighs more than me!

I've had one as the preamp in my rack rig for years. It's great if you can live with having almost no EQ!

[quote name='MoonBassAlpha' timestamp='1470768535' post='3108327']
May we infer from the above that the G2 Midget and G3 Super Midget play nicely together? I've only ever paired them with the CTM 15W, so they were never worked to any great excursion.
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They do but they don't stack terribly well - you want the G2 on top because it runs out of power handling much earlier but it's quite a bit deeper front to back.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1470925067' post='3109377']
Won't that mess up the line array implementation?
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Very good point! That'll teach me to try to think whilst a baby is screaming at me... Still, it's worth testing if it's actually the resonator outlets or just the omnidirectional output from the whole cab causing the issue.

My RIM Custom 5 has a 36" scale length and wears Circle K balanced tension strings, with a .142 low B. Floppy strings or uneven feel drives me crazy!

[quote name='2elliot' timestamp='1470863165' post='3109090']It sounds better and better every time I use it. Back on a hollow stage tomorrow though, small gig in Stockton. Let's see what happens.[/quote]

If it booms on that hollow stage try turning it on its side (I know it doesn't have side feet but just to test). If that solves it then it is the output from the hybrid resonator causing the problem, if not it's just the usual powerful cab generating pressure by a hollow stage and causing stage resonance problem.

[quote name='Musashimonkey' timestamp='1470746086' post='3108082']Thanks for all the advice guys. I spoke to Alex and he was very helpful. I'm sure he won't mind me paraphrasing that gen2 and gen3 pairing is not something that springs to mind for him as the characteristics of the drivers are different.[/quote]

Actually I do mind a bit because that's not what I said! The issue is with pairing the Gen 2 Big Baby or Big Twin with the Gen 3 cabs. Mostly because they're both much lower sensitivity than the Gen 3 models and have a different tone/feel in the lows, plus the mid driver is quite different to the 12" + HF driver combo. The Gen 2 Compact, Midget, Super Twelve and Super Fifteen get on much better with the Gen 3 models due to their higher sensitivity and more similar characteristics apart from the lower excursion limited power handling. I'd go so far as to say the Super Compact matches better with the old Compact than the old Midget did, and apart from the stacking issue the old Midget better with the Super Compact than the Compact.

[quote name='Musashimonkey' timestamp='1470746086' post='3108082']So... I tried a Gen 2 BBT and it was thunderous, great tone and full to the brim with awesomeness. Side by side with my BB2 gen3 the difference in how the drivers were responding. Both great cabs, but each would require different EQing to get the same sound. Paired together they were very loud indeed! Due to difference in sound, and being far too picky and lazy to adjust EQ depending on cabs I'm going to try a BT2 gen 3 to pair with my BB2...
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Excellent.

If the BB2 (or indeed our entire 12XN range) was right for everyone tonally then we wouldn't have bothered designing the 10CR range. Getting bassists to realise one of those 1x10" cabs can sound as loud and move as much air as many typical 12" cabs can be a challenge - as is persuading those wanting a more modern sounding 2x10" with tweeter that the best one of those is actually the BB2 (a 1x12"!)

[quote name='jimcroisdale' timestamp='1469480842' post='3098746']
Too deep I think. Like I said, for an optimal cab size for a 2x12 it would look silly if it was as slim as I need - I can understand why there aren't any...

Are there any chunky 1x15's about these days? Cab on one side of the back seat, kiddy seat on the other? :-)
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Can't think of any 15"s that are significantly louder than this and it'll definitely fit: http://barefacedbass.com/product-range/Super-Compact.htm

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1469727090' post='3100707']Has he invalidated the warranty by vandalising them?[/quote]

Shepard Fairey's artwork was highly approved by us! And the other cosmetic changes were our work.

[quote name='lowhand_mike' timestamp='1469637940' post='3099965']
sooooo, if the 8x10 has the drivers set up like a line array (think thats right) for better dispersion how does having the 2x10 and the 15 (i'm geussing the sizes but thats what they look like) effect it?
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The three cabs (it's actually Two10, Four10 and Eight10) are producing different signals (distorted, overdriven and clean respectively) so they don't interact like a normal stack would and he still gets all the dispersion benefits of the line array.

It's great to see the rig standing out so much on a popular TV show!

This is why the B rig got used at Cleveland - the A rig was here:

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIiyoUZTHNM"]https://www.youtube....h?v=pIiyoUZTHNM[/url]

The way Tim tours he needs two rigs, the A rig and the B rig - the A rig is used most of the time and on all studio work, the B rig is used when logistics mean the A rig can't get there in time. Unfortunately Tim's Barefaced B rig is waiting for its woofers to turn up, which have been delayed due to a production issue at the Eminence factory, so the old Ampeg rig is being used instead. And sometimes rigs get hired, like the Wakrat gig in London tomorrow (which we'd have supplied if we didn't have this lack of 10" drivers!)

I really liked my SWR Grand Prix. I changed the 12AX7 for a NOS 5751 which made it cleaner and fatter. I did some measurements of it and found the aural enhancer just added gain for the first half of its travel and then boosted the highs and lows and cut the mids. I also found that with the EQ/shape knobs at zero the response had a big dip which could be flattened by boosting the lows mids at 250Hz by 8dB. It sounded much louder and fatter like that - but not so much like an SWR!

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1467800286' post='3086308']But the port is on the bottom of the cab?.....what happened to needing around 6" clearance for ports?! [/quote]

It isn't a port, it just looks like one. None of our 10CR cabs are conventional ported cabs, they're all hybrid resonator designs.

[quote name='skychaserhigh' timestamp='1465555331' post='3069177']The marketing telling us that we don't need 410 cabs and then producing one doesn't really sit too well with me , that's all.[/quote]

I'm pretty certain that from the very start my point has always been to question the assumption that the conventional 4x10" with tweeter is the best format for a bass cab, especially if you want maximum accuracy. That's why we still don't make a 4x10" for that purpose, instead making the Big Baby 2 and Big Twin 2. So it wasn't that you didn't a 410, it was trying to persuade bassists that there were other choices which could work as well or even better.

Personally I prefer narrower cabs from a portability perspective but it rarely looks great having a head that's wider than your cab, hence we've been making wide format (and coloured) cabs since the early days of Barefaced, examples being the Vintage, the '69er and then the Two10 and Six10. Despite the width of those cabs we've tried to keep them easy to move by reducing the depth and weight etc. The Four10 just fills the space between the Two10 and Six10.

As I've said numerous times about the 10CR range, it isn't just about the low pass filter, it's that we've created a driver with huge volume displacement, superior dispersion and wider bandwidth, a tonal colouration that works really well for a lot of bass sounds, and a unique enclosure design which feels like a sealed cab but achieves the efficiency of a ported cab, whilst also keeping the cab size down. It works so well it seemed foolish to stick with our original plan of just making a 2x10" and 6x10", especially as its proven even louder on the gig than we expected.

That sounds more like your amp was running out of power than the speaker itself struggling. The amp will have an easier ride once the speaker is fully loosened up, which may make the critical difference. Glad you like it otherwise!

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1465412952' post='3068068']
I wonder if this interpretation of the H-word might be that subtle form of distortion that valve amps do well, as do certain speakers? I mean the sort that adds some extra harmonics to the sound (so adding low mids on top of your lows) but stops well short of sounding gritty or dirty and would still be thought of as a clean sound in any musical context.
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As Zappa said, talking about music is like dancing about architecture. And therein lies the problem...

I consider 'heft' to be related to the uncompressed and unsagging reproduction of low frequencies. Basically the sort of thing good subwoofers do really well and that poor PA systems and weedy bass amps and cabs struggle with. It's also something that serious solidstate power and high excursion neo drivers are better at than valve amps and old school drivers (unless you use a BIG rig).

However, there are definitely bassists who consider 'heft' to be related to the compression and distortion added by valve amps and certain cabs, which thickens a bass sound. This mid-bass to lower-midrange thickness is also sometimes described as punch, though I'd tend to call the transient character thump, with punch being higher up in the midrange.

When you've had as many email and phone discussions about bass tone as me you get quite good at reading between the lines of what bassists mean when they're talking about sound. But if that isn't your job then it makes it quite hard to discuss the minutiae of tone without an awful lot of misunderstanding going on!

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1465378057' post='3067610']...as a bass player, I like to dig in and have my notes delivered with zero sag - with full attack at the beginning of the note - right through to the end.[/quote]

That's it!

I'd avoid 1U, it's so much harder (i.e. more expensive or worse performance) to package an amp in such a shallow casing. 2U gives much more internal space (not just twice as much!)

The other issue could be that the Precision Devices woofers have lower inductance than the original ones, so their impedance won't rise as much at midrange frequencies. The original crossover will be designed to present a suitable load in the 800-5000Hz region when the midrange driver and woofers are all operating in parallel and lower inductance woofers could drop the cab's total impedance too low.

[quote name='luckydog' timestamp='1465250108' post='3066585']
Or the speaker might interact with the amp in a way causes it to take protective action to avoid damage !

LD
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Except we've sold hundreds of this particular cab, many of them are used with Markbass heads and we've never heard of another head shutting down ever, let alone being damaged. And it happened regardless of volume level. And all our cabs have been carefully measured and tested to ensure they represent not only safe loads but actually quite easy loads for their rated impedance.

I haven't heard of it happening with a current Markbass head but I've read of other earlier Markbass heads shutting down in similar ways. Considering the huge number of heads Markbass have sold (when they did a limited edition run of one they made 500 of them so there must be tens of thousands of Markbass amps out there), this is a very rare fault (but very difficult to pin down too!)