Reaper

1 hour ago, PJ-Bassist said:

I have all three, those along with my Helix FX have led me to some of the most fun I've had on the bass all year

Haha you're definitely not helping! Now if you can give me a clue where you got hold of your Jamiroquai books...

1 minute ago, Cuzzie said:

If you search on you tube there are videos out there, Andertons done one, Patrick Hunter as well etc.

@Reaper you used to have a 5 string Spector as your avatar - was that just a wish list bass?

Hey Cuzzie, you've got a good memory! Yeah very much wish list - I saw one on BC and really liked the look of it. I'll check out those videos you suggested thanks.

10 hours ago, PJ-Bassist said:

A few bassy bits from the family this year:

Jamiroquai Bass Book Vol 3 published by the awesome @Stuart Clayton

Money for a pickup upgrade for my VS4

And tickets to go see the Tedeschi Trucks Band @ Wembley in Feb

I love Jamiroquoi! And you've got me GAS-ing for those Stuart Clayton bass books but they all seem to be out of stock. Be great to get hold of all three volumes if they were available somewhere.

Those 30 basses look amazing but are waaaay to posh for me! Wonder if we could persuade Scott to do a video with 30 budget basses? Thinking about getting my first 5 string next year and something like that video with sub £500 basses would be a great place to start.

Anyone signed up for the one hour free access Gary Willis seminar he mentions at the end of the thread? Any good?

Nice! Congrats on returning to gigging with a rumble! Tell us a bit about the new band?

A number of the Phil Jones amps are dual input.

A cheaper option which may be "good enough" could be to use a decent 2 channel mixer in front of the amp to save yourself the cost of a new rig?

4 hours ago, Cuzzie said:

It’s not really a discussion on faith, more an observation about how the band was seen and marketed.

Seems to me your a fan of both wiki and the band, which album did you like best and fave track on it (it’s only a mild diversion off topic and allowed in discussions, most threads go this way you will find!)

Right back at you buddy! Let's get folk who are 'fessed-up King's X fans e.g. @Wolverinebass, @Cosmo Valdemar, you(?) answering that particular question!  

4 minutes ago, Cosmo Valdemar said:

I believe they always identified as a band comprised of Christians, rather than a 'Christian band'. Dug renounced his faith a few years ago.

Incidentally, 'King's X' seems to be the American version of 'fanites'.

First point is kinda interesting. But "Faith" I see that's a banned discussion topic, so I'd best get back onto mid-scoop pdq, before my short sojourn on BC comes to a crashing quick end 😂

Gotta fess that I have no idea of what 'fanites' are!

1 minute ago, krispn said:

@Reaper Ahh so a wikipedia fan not a fan of the band

 

Haha - it's possible to both but also neither.

Just now, Wolverinebass said:

I hasten to say, I am a King's X fan. I'd never use Dug's tone though. Not my voice. If people want samples, I'll try and find 10 minutes over the weekend. I'll use a reamp DI so there can be no issues with technique or bass playing inconsistency.

Cool - cheers, matey. Look forward to it.

Well they are defo an intriguing bunch - associated with Petra, signed up with a US Christian label, peaked at No.4 in the US Christian charts. And their very name: the cross of the King ....but have since sought to deny being a Christian metal band.

Can't deny the depth of some of their lyrics, though.

12 string bass, however, now that it is something both to be feared and admired in equal measure!

44 minutes ago, krispn said:

Look at this all civilised discussion

Given the very balanced and in-depth review provided by the OP, the right, albeit slightly mid scooped, tone had clearly been set for the rest of the thread!

But provided this pedal provides Ear Candy I don't think DP fans will be too disappointed 😉

4 minutes ago, bigsmokebass said:

Well welcome to the forum, you should write an introduction as it'll be interesting to hear about you, your gear and what you hope to gain from being a member on here 😊

Cheers! A few weeks in, I'm kinda feeling like an old hand already and there's certainly plenty going on to keep me interested!  

3 hours ago, krispn said:

To be fair controls on a pedal/amp are meant to be turned until the desired effect/sound is achieved not to where they 'look correct'! Ears over eyes!

Fair. However if you're having to max something out just to get to a desirable tone then you've got nothing left in the tank should you need to tweak for venue etc. IMO better simply to get something where you're a fan of the core tone in the first place and plenty to choose from!

2 hours ago, Wolverinebass said:

Just to clarify, "thick" meant "meaty with an emphasis on the lower mids." You have to go to pretty extreme settings to get mud with the Darkglass.

That actually sounds really good, thanks for clarifying. Combine that with the hpf and lpf features and there does seem to a lot of plusses about this DG Xu. Shame it costs nigh on £400! 

9 hours ago, Wolverinebass said:

When I said mid scoop, it can be overcome to my liking mainly by engaging the mid shift and virtually maxing out the mid dial. It works perfectly well in a band mix. 

The darkglass has a natural tendency to be slightly "thick," but it's just different architecture anyway.

Thanks for that, although it seems to me that maxing out in that fashion is a pretty extreme adjustment to overcome the mid scoop - I can't think of any other pedal or bass EQ where I'm needing to super-max out the mids in order to overcome a mid scoop. I guess you either need to like the baked-in mid scoop and accept that it's part of the DP3X sound, which a lot of folk clearly do, or simply get something else.

Just to make sure we are on the same page on the DG Xu: when you say "thick" = not thin / meaty or "thick" = muddy? If the latter, worth being aware of as this could be a little off-putting.

I think I read on another thread that you've now got your own recording studio? If so, some sound samples of the two pedals side by side would be brilliant!

Following on from the above, question for the OP:

Applying Cuzzie's shift button and mid boost - does that sort out the mid scoop on the DP3X which you flagged as being the key drawback of that pedal and get it to a comparable mid punch that the DG delivers?

Getting the band to play quietly is all very well and definitely desirable, particularly at rehearsals. But the limiting factor is always going to be the acoustic drums and whether the drummer is comfortable using bamboo rods or similar to keep his volume down. The power output you need at gigs will be dictated by the size of the venue and whether there is a PA available capable of handling bass well - typically need at least 12" speakers and ideally something like an RCF 735A. Definitely no harm in having a bit of headroom up your sleeve, if you'll excuse my mixed metaphors!  

12 minutes ago, chris_b said:

Is this the 210 combo? The Rumble 500 is 250 watts without the extension cab and 500 watts with the extension cab. I don't play Rock or "Hard Rock" whatever that is, most of the guitarists I play with are from a Blues/Blues Rock background and none of them are quiet enough for me to use a 250watt amp. I'll play at the lowest volume I can but theses days I rarely get FOH so I have to be able to cover everything from my rig. I use 800 watt amps and 1200 watts of cabs, just to keep the sound clean at whatever volume I need.

With you on the benefit of having headroom from your rig, should you ever need it.

One point to correct though, if I may: my understanding is that the Rumble 500 is 350W (not 250W) solo'd at 8ohm 'internally' through the combo speakers and 500W with an extension cab. 

16 hours ago, Maude said:

Your English is far better than most English people's Indian. 

Yup very true! 

And not least because, as @uAdi will be able to confirm, if you wander from the tip of Kashmir to the toe of Tamil Nadu you won't find a single language anywhere that is actually called 'Indian'!

In the same way  that if you try to find where English breakfast tea is grown in the England, you may struggle 😀

42 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

Current doubler cable, use 2 12v ports off a PSU.

Used to do that to get 18v for the Cali Compressor 

Not sure that's going to work: the Quilter's PSU has a 24V, 3 Amp dedicated power supply to give a theoretical maximum current draw of 72 watts (and allows for some power loss due to heat etc). Unless I'm mistaken, the Quilter would require up to 6 Amps if it's being fed off 12V supplies. There aren't too many PSUs out there that will power the rest of your pedals, fit snugly under your board and leave enough juice for this relatively power hungry pedal! Most other bass pedals, by comparison typically have current draws ranging from just 1 mA to 250 mA. HX Stomp being a notable exception, needing 1 Amp to 2 Amps at 12V.

Interestingly HX Stomp has a reputation for getting quite warm, even hot, during use. Goodness knows how hot this Quilter pedal will get with that amount of power running through it?

1 hour ago, CamdenRob said:

I’ve never deleted a post and I’ve said loads of stupid stuff.

I found one the other day where I said P basses were only for old duffers in covers bands 😕 I’ve bought several myself since then... then again I am a bit older now 😕

But are you now also playing in a covers band? 😉

1 hour ago, Cuzzie said:

Couldn’t give a dogs pecker about the switch, got me vol knob on me bass for that, and XLR vs 1/4 it’s all nuts - it’s balanced, that’s the key, plus it makes sense as it doubles as a headphone socket so that’s space efficiency especially when you look at the link and see how clever that have been with space.

I think this will bloody rule

Sounds like they have their first BC customer! 😀

5 hours ago, Kamiel said:

4 pedals for drive and fuzz seems quite standard 😉😉 Okay kidding a little bit, I only have 3 fuzzes (+ a clean boost in between to get some extra girth out of them). But I sure want more!

Haha - I know what you mean! Actually if we include his HX Stomp and the fact that SA Aftershock is really a drive multifx, Al Krow is on at least 5 and potentially up to as many as 50+ different drives. Now that is a hoard, agreed? 😂

Does makes sense that you need a larger cab to compensate for a smaller output amp. 

But for many folk carting a 4x10 is not a practical (boot size) or desirable (weight), so having a lightweight D class amp with enough oomph to easily power a lightweight quality 112 seems to be a good compromise. The amp doesn't have to be physically big as the Quilter BB itself proves.

If I was using a 12" 8ohm cab and not a 4x10, I definitely wouldn't want to be relying on a pedal putting out just 33W as my back up amp. I'd just have a passive DI box to go straight into the PA should my amp ever fail although, touch wood, I've never had an amp fail on me yet. 

It maybe that some amp makers are not being accurate about the outputs of their amps, but at the end of the day a watt is a watt. It's a unit of power and can be measured just in the same way as a kilogram can be measured. There's nothing particularly mystical about a watt.

Be interesting to see how accurately the Quilter BB has been calibrated and if it's actually putting out just 40W at its 40W setting? The calibration does appear to be almost "reverse non-linear" in that it is going from:

0 to 3 = +40W

3 to 5 = +120W

5 to 7 = +240W

7 to 10 = +400W

Whereas a lot of amps will get to a high power output quickly and then tail off.

But anyone with the BB 800 with access to a decent multimeter (a cheap one can be got for around a £tenner from Halfords) will be able to easily confirm the point.