Bean9seventy

3 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said:

 

 

 

A bit off-topic I know 🤒, but I remember the Aria TSB ads featuring Gary Tibbs:

 

 

That was around the time that my bass teacher bought an SB1000... which was nice.

i am confused you saying the guy with the C.V thing & posting photos of himself & basses is gary tibbs ?

or this is just a photo of the guy with the same name as this gary chap ?

42 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Here we go once again. Who said loads of them? 

 

Although released late 1976, by 1977/78, the Jaco album was a talking point among some musicians in the UK. Well, certainly in my circle(s). Apart from Jaco's contribution, there were top, known players on that album as well. Granted, if you were not listening to fusion and such at the time, then the album and musicians on it, wouldn't have possibly gained your attention.

 

Musician Credits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaco_Pastorius_(album)

 

the gentryfied never give up ,,

we are bass players from the street & slapping the bass was not invented in no college & no jazz circles ,

if it was not for disco no one would have brought it

there are DJs btw who know extactly who was buying records

& why ,

42 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

 

Fretless Rock Bands back then?  Bad Company? The Band? Jack Bruce? Probably more. 

By 1978, Jaco clones were well on the up as well.

 

jaco clones by 78 ?  loads of them ? all deliberate failed disco players

blowing up teen town in 78 ? wow man , ;D

thats charlie for you ,, out of the Chaplin zone too ,,, on The Bell

so what happened , how come no one saw this ? & you, until now ?

5 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

the 40 40 had a delux plastic pick up guard , seems you took it off ? quite a big move in 1973 ,

 

pulling frets out ? Rock bands never used fretless , 2 jazz basses in 1978 ?

 

you should be talking about either just missing out on a major deal or you being best mates with iron maidens drummer

those who remember Jaspers

7 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Where did I say the Tag was from Len Stiles?

I believe @Hellzerohas a thread on reading a post before replying.👍

 

- Rip the pick guard off what?

the 40 40 had a delux plastic pick up guard , seems you took it off ? quite a big move in 1973 ,

pulling frets out ? Rock bands never used fretless , 2 jazz basses in 1978 ?

you should be talking about either just missing out on a major deal or you being best mates with iron maidens drummer

13 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

 

Haha...me, proudly holding my 16th Birthday present in 1973. I think mine came from Len Stiles over in Lewisham. It was eventually part exchanged for a Ricky in '75. Then in 1976, the Ricky was part exchanged for my first Jazz Bass. (Again, Len Stiles).

I actually then bought another Jazz later on that year and ripped the frets out....as most people did then...

 

i catch big fish ,,,

so in 1973, you already rip the pick up guard off, no pick, no slap 

yet swap instruments including up right bass by 1978

you never landed a record deal got close or 

know any players in your area who school "obscure music"

the price tag is not from len stiles btw, 

8 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

with all the meta data i showed you guys

all of it, before level42 formed

you can now see how a guy who worked in a Pro music shop macaris

put it all together & bassically won the bass battles as they stood at that time

adopted the soul boy look ,, high bass strap

& became the face of brit pop funk ,, without Fender

 

all thats left is those who remember mark king playing bass as a shop assistant

tho there is one last rabbit hole ,,just all about musicman stingray

 

2 minutes ago, EssentialTension said:

 

I bought a Hayman 4040 in Denmark Street in late 1974. But I never slapped it.

no one really knew about slapping in 1974 ,, americans never used that word or term ,, slapping is a UK word mainly ,, now the whole world uses it ,,

1 hour ago, Bassassin said:

 

There's an '81 TOTP video - he's playing either an Aria SB700 or an SB1000 - through-neck, single pickup, can't tell if it's active or passive. I'd guess that's what he recorded the track with.

 

Begs the question why the high-end Japanese basses like Aria SBs and Ibanez Musicians & Studios, which all emerged at the end of the 70s, don't seem to have been embraced by the players that @Bean9seventyis talking about - they'd seem to tick all the boxes, not Fendery, through-neck, 24 fret, 2-a-side headstock etc. Certainly very affordable compared to the Alembics that inspired their designs.

with all the meta data i showed you guys

all of it, before level42 formed

you can now see how a guy who worked in a Pro music shop macaris

put it all together & bassically won the bass battles as they stood at that time

adopted the soul boy look ,, high bass strap

& became the face of brit pop funk ,, without Fender

all thats left is those who remember mark king playing bass as a shop assistant

tho there is one last rabbit hole ,,just all about musicman stingray

2 hours ago, drTStingray said:

I was really referring to contemporary (then) pop and dance/R and B.

 

It was not necessary for reggae, ska, rock etc etc 

it was a wave that happened in early 1977 ,,

before then things had not changed much

the studio 54 sound ,

37 minutes ago, Bassassin said:

 

There's an '81 TOTP video - he's playing either an Aria SB700 or an SB1000 - through-neck, single pickup, can't tell if it's active or passive. I'd guess that's what he recorded the track with.

 

Begs the question why the high-end Japanese basses like Aria SBs and Ibanez Musicians & Studios, which all emerged at the end of the 70s, don't seem to have been embraced by the players that @Bean9seventyis talking about - they'd seem to tick all the boxes, not Fendery, through-neck, 24 fret, 2-a-side headstock etc. Certainly very affordable compared to the Alembics that inspired their designs.

yes no yes no ,, these basses did break through as the disco funk explosion took off ,

1st of all i think the "new cut price" south asia products had not quite hit the market via demand of sales yet ,, (Same with Levis jeans, it took time)

so ? a lot of UK, USA "made" stuff was standard in demark street shops  76- 79 , yet these became more expensive in waves each year 

my 2nd bass, was inbenez ,, big drum roll ,,

for a short while i had 2 basses

the Flying V was so "beasty" i could play it without an amp ,,

brought it for peanuts ,,

long story how i lost it

White Flying V  ibernez ,

Boosty Bound

Big Bass ,

19 hours ago, drTStingray said:

Good - there were several (probably 10 others) - the lead singer of one was Jaki Graham who became famous as a solo R and B singer in the 80s. Another similar was Ruby Turner though she was more traditional 60s R and B. Another local funk band, Rainmaker, was the support act on Stanley Clarke’s first tour - and yes when we heard Schooldays for the first time, and live - I was blown away by the bass sound and playing (pity he dropped and broke his double bass though……..)!! 
 

However the Brit funk thing was based firmly in the south east and grew out of the dance scene - that was part of the initial audience for bands like Freeze and Level 42 - the jazz funk fans embraced Level 42 also though 😏

However the Brit funk thing was based firmly in the south east and grew out of the dance scene - that was part of the initial audience for bands like Freeze / stop,, True ,

level 42 was a "few years later ,, anyway,

Freeze ,, the bass player (from memory) used a Fender & was one of the 1st Down Thumb players in the UK ,,, we had a different name for down thumb slap in the 70s

as part of that core Brit Funk scene, the manifesto included playing up to this new status of UK / Brit funk to the fans ,, so 

The Southern Freeze , song is based on a UK dance move that was Real

dancers would stop/ freeze like a video player tight on the beat,,,    & start again aka The Southern Freeze 

10 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

Funny, I managed to get past just about every audition in the early 80s (and since then) without playing slap. Any that I didn't get past weren't because I didn't play slap.

Me too ,, i am sure many others as well 

10 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

A Hayman 40/40 was my first bass. I part-exchanged it for a Fender Precision, which is the instrument I used for the one and only recording that I played slap on. Then I PXed the Fender for a Warwick.

nice , tho i bet you wished you kept the 40 40 ,, ;D

hint 40 40 is before 42 42

11 hours ago, Cosmo Valdemar said:

A Gibson SG bass? They were only introduced a few years ago...

 

Forgive the pedantry, I'm sure you meant one of the EB variants but this thread does seem to be intent on some sort of accuracy about... something.

i would not know m8, the model was pre 1976, had flat wounds , 

5 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

ditto Twin octave ,, ,, better example

so ,, you seen some great examples

you are mark king working in a shop

you know what i have just shown you ,,

what kind of bass are you going to create / play with this metadata ?

Plus ,, we wore our basses high ,, not low like rock guys ,punk guys , yuck

,, the primary reason is to keep the fret board as close to our eyes as possible like all beginners ,

the Real soul boy bass players ,

1 minute ago, Bean9seventy said:

i met Huw, great guy ,, do not tell me where he lives ,,

coz i will just grab that bass off him , one time ;D lol

 

so ,, i did by a bass guys ,, no longer have it

,, drum roll ,,

 

it had everything i wanted ,

not fender , at all in shape

twin octave, that was well machined / made 

very stanley clarke looking

alway remember it having 2 pick ups not 1 tho 

,,,, & a decent price for a beginner

 

The Dan Armstrong Sliding Pick up ,,

The Red Imperial Players 1st Bass

 

ditto Twin octave ,, ,, better example

5 minutes ago, Reggaebass said:

Huw is a member here, a great player 👍

i met Huw, great guy ,, do not tell me where he lives ,,

coz i will just grab that bass off him , one time ;D lol

so ,, i did by a bass guys ,, no longer have it

,, drum roll ,,

it had everything i wanted ,

not fender , at all in shape

twin octave, that was well machined / made 

very stanley clarke looking

alway remember it having 2 pick ups not 1 tho 

,,,, & a decent price for a beginner

The Dan Armstrong Sliding Pick up ,,

The Red Imperial Players 1st Bass

15 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

Wal bass was specialised "no passive" top end pro gear the look was good tho,,  it was close ,, like guild ,, no twin octave ,,

 

but but but ,, just found Huw Foster with a Hayman ,,,

Also at this point was now must talk "Shergold Basses" as they branch out to create Link the sound of level 42 ,,, as we shall see

 

Popswell ,, & Huw Foster, steals as much as he can ,, LOL

 

So nearly at the end of this chapter on why not Fender

great classic example by huw foster ,

So, it was The Hayman bass ,,,

the Shergold was so slose

11 minutes ago, drTStingray said:

Im surprised you didn’t look at a Wal - they were ‘affordable’ back then. I chose a Stingray at the end of the 70s because I wanted that fat, staccato (Bernard Edwards) sound - active basses did that well with concurrent amps, as well as slap sound (Wals have a great slap sound as well). I was turned on to Wals at the time by Alan Spenner (funk and also Roxymusic) playing one and Percy Jones (jazz funk). 

Wal bass was specialised "no passive" top end pro gear the look was good tho,,  it was close ,, like guild ,, no twin octave ,,

but but but ,, just found Huw Foster with a Hayman ,,,

Also at this point was now must talk "Shergold Basses" as they branch out to create Link the sound of level 42 ,,, as we shall see

Popswell ,, & Huw Foster, steals as much as he can ,, LOL

27 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

yep ,, correct,, as we went through Demark St

it was difficult to find any thing to match the gear we visioned

 

but anytime we saw a hayman ? or guild ? / similar ? we would check it out just in case

 

So ,, Gear ??

another i bass used a few times ,,but never owned , Gulp ,,,

 

its a fender type omg ,, 3 bass players with fender type basses now

 

but but but guys ,,, it was the cheapest bass you could buy in the UK

sold only in supermarkets. almost "a toy"

 

this bass is another Epic historic the closest we get to " in the UK (street funk level history ) 

smaller drum roll > Dang

 

so as you can see in the examples the Main wish list for bass for the jazzy soul boys who rate ,,,

1.a ) must have a different headstock 1,b) different body than a fender

2) twin octave ,, yet as shown, posts , almost impossible to find in 77/78

More Gear ,

never played this bass but was prepared to bass battle against owner

,, The Famous Paul Tubbsy Williams Bass ,,

tho not sure if this is the exact model

again its all about the headstock being "anything" but fender shaped

4 minutes ago, Steve Browning said:

Odd that neither of these is a  2 octave neck.

 

Interesting information though. Thank you for the insight. 

yep ,, correct,, as we went through Demark St

it was difficult to find any thing to match the gear we visioned

but anytime we saw a hayman ? or guild ? / similar ? we would check it out just in case

So ,, Gear ??

another i bass used a few times ,,but never owned , Gulp ,,,

its a fender type omg ,, 3 bass players with fender type basses now

but but but guys ,,, it was the cheapest bass you could buy in the UK

sold only in supermarkets. almost "a toy"

this bass is another Epic historic the closest we get to " in the UK (street funk level history ) 

smaller drum roll > Dang

1 minute ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

i had one for a year or so in the 1990s , on my wish list still obviously

 

but yet ,, at that time 77/78 so / the hayman was perfect, but still had a fender shaped body ? ;D ,, we were that tight on looks ,

 

the Key guys tho is the headstock ,,

we do not want the typical slope diagonal 4 key headstock ,, looks are everything to us

 

we want the 2 x 2 key "balanced" headstock , like this ,,

another bass i played , only once or twice ,, but never owned

a Guild ,,,, 

Think about it ,,

now you know why fender was never the face of brit funk they had so much success & credit in rock punk ect, the 70s ,, we would not even go near them or similar basses ,

we visioned a different identity ,,,

its the headstock guys, Bang Bang ,,

1 minute ago, ezbass said:

There's one of these for sale in a secondhand shop in Perth at the moment for £699 IIRC.

1 minute ago, ezbass said:

There's one of these for sale in a secondhand shop in Perth at the moment for £699 IIRC.

i had one for a year or so in the 1990s , on my wish list still obviously

but yet ,, at that time 77/78 so / the hayman was perfect, but still had a fender shaped body ? ;D ,, we were that tight on looks ,

the Key guys tho is the headstock ,,

we do not want the typical slope diagonal 4 key headstock ,, looks are everything to us

we want the 2 x 2 key "balanced" headstock , like this ,,

another bass i played , only once or twice ,, but never owned

a Guild ,,,, 

12 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

The bass player from atmosphere also used a fender ,, so we got 2 guys out of about 10 ,, we need to go down this rabbit hole , so we can understand the down turn in Fender, remember this down turn, is from the look of fender & what it represented ,, to us it was an ultimate pro rock machine,

Fender had a 100% good thing going on Guitar tho,  the pitch they did with The Brothers Johnson worked 1000%

the new lastest body-fit curve fender guitar, was endorsed, yes even i had a go

but the bass ?  we were looking for something sperate, with twin octaves please ??

massive drum roll for this guys ,,,,,,,,

my 2nd bass i used ,, but never owned

this is when i 1st see thumb & pop,

right out of the bootsy gig as FACT

& become addicted ,, like Smack

before this time i was just a casual player

  B,A,N,G ,,,,,,,

The Mother Ship Connection its Self , Bass of Basses

The closet thing we have to Larry Graham as an instrument

the bass that starts the face of brit funk , OMG 

the bass before level 42