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[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1374534905' post='2149959']
Thanks for the kind words! I thought you may be one of the first to say something - you dig the lead male vocalist if I recall?!
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He's a cool muthaf*cker.

I think my ONLY comment would be that I think it's very long for most promo applications. I think I'd want a four minute version as well, with all the dialogue and the songs as 30sec teaser clips, The long version would be for people who want to see more of the music. But hey, it doesn't really matter, it's great fun to watch and the performance and production quality is top notch Russ.

Superb in every way! Love it.

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1374533109' post='2149928']
sorry I change that while you must of been replying, yes you ar right, cheers for the help.
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Can you hear the key centre in those chords? I mean, can you tell that Bm (albeit with a sharp 6th) is the key? Rather than E Maj or B Maj?

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1374532349' post='2149913']
what the key?...wouldn't that make the B a major if harmonised as 'normal' though?

..strange the sheet music said Bm too?
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I think you need to remember songs are built on musical feelings, not theoretical rules. It sounds nice, and it's probably built on a mode, B Dorian I think, the second mode of the major scale, it's a minor mode, seems to me the E is major but I could be wrong.

Just play more man, you'll develop that strength. I play heavily and often do at home as well as live. I can play pretty fast and no issues so far with speed, accuracy and heavy handedness. But I think you should always be adept at light and hard playing, like drummers have to be. It's about what you want to hear really, but if you have good dynamic control in volume and time senses I think you'll be happier as a player.

Look after your hands though, if playing hard and fast and you get pain, stop immediately.

E Major mate.

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1374511347' post='2149555']
i found classical guitar pieces great way to pick up theory and also singing (choirs big orchestral stuff) was great for sight reading and if you sing tenor you learn both treble and bass clefs
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Yeah, I play guitar and bass and I'm doing all treble clef right now. Oddly, I find classical guitar does nowt for me, it's flamenco that blows me away. My singing is more castrato mate

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1374509955' post='2149527']
did you have any luck with those apps Nige?
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Interesting though they were, they didn't feel right for me mate, sorry, the Mozart one seemed too complex and not what I need at this time, maybe I just didn't understand them I'm using the Jazz Session Band app a BC member posted which has been very useful.

I've made great progress today though, just with three hours looking at dots, hearing the music, and working theoretical sh*t out with a classical guitar. I feel like some familiarisation is happening, albeit on a very low level.

Thanks for those apps mate, I will revisit them when I feel a bit more confident. Cheers

[quote name='ashsagar' timestamp='1374495938' post='2149308']
Hey. Yeah. I joined up the first time round but never did it due to time, But I'm gonna get on it this time round. Already posted my first lesson.

[url="http://soundcloud.com/a-sagar/gary-burton-jazz-improv-lesson"]http://soundcloud.co...z-improv-lesson[/url]

This is my first time at improvising jazz lines so it's pretty basic and scrappy but I hope I can improve over the 5 weeks
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How did you get on with the piano solo analysis mate? I've done the first 8 bars but it took me two hours

Good work on the improv soundclound, but I won't comment as that's for the peer review stuff, but it sounds good

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1373212797' post='2134775']
Well, for what it's worth, I'm doing the exact same thing. I just don't need no bloody teacher to help me doing it. Two pints and a few Islays, and I'm back to zero.
I fail to see why Nigel would want to use good money on achieving slowly what is sooo easily gained during a good evening.

Sorry to bring some science into the discussion, but one can only take so much.



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I have too many 'good nights' with the whisky as it is mate

[left]I just started this free online Berklee Improvisation course. It's very good, a real challenge, but I feel like such a musical puppy doing this. First part of the five weekly assignments is to analyse Gary Burton's piano solo off a recording and the fly sh*t, then record an improvisation over a supplied backing track and submit them all for peer review and grading. [/left]

[left]I'm REALLY learning though, reading the dots and working out the intervals and musical devices, and what musical effect they have, and writing all that stuff down is teaching me loads. Even after a few hours I am recognising notes on the stave so much more quickly, and working out the chord progressions in relation to the key sig and whatavyer. It's giving me the confidence I need, and making all this technical sh*t seem much less daunting.[/left]

[left]I feel very encouraged, and above all, despite the headache of the mental effort involved, I am very much enjoying it. I don't know if I will ever truly enjoy listening to jazz, but I'm certainly starting to appreciate it a lot more, and learning through it.[/left]

[quote name='booboo' timestamp='1374279570' post='2147255']
Sometimes liking a particular bit of music just doesn't matter. This video is worth watching just to see the connection that music can make between people.
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You my friend have the whole thing in a big ol bag. That is EXACTLY what it's all about. Perfectly put. Salut.

Todd really knows how to wright catchy prog pop. This one's for RhysP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfVr13R_Rog

Vai doing Building the Church live. Disregard if you will, the blowy hair and funny faces. Vai and the band are full of immense musicality, musicianship, compositional beauty, and it's executed with great levels of feeling. Above all, for me, he's got fantastic taste in note choice and phrasing.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0p-vIEN2Bw[/media]

[quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1374278073' post='2147248']
Just got back from the gig at The Good Ship and have to say, was very impressed. Listening to the recordings, Kits voice sounds very soft and haunting to me, whereas live it is much stronger, but still retaining the haunting aspect. Another thing for me was that, although the subject matter of the songs is quite serious, Kit is really bubbly when performing, so even the sad songs make you smile. The whole band has a great sound and Nige played a blinder on bass, that POD has a great sound.
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Lozz, lovely to see you there man! Thanks so much for coming, and grabbing a CD, I really hope you love it and that, now you've seen us live, the music has an additional dimension for you. Cheers mate

Thanks very much to charic for coming too, with his very nice friend, great to see you again!

It was a really funny gig, the heat got to us I think First time for a new song and the first time for me and Sam doing three part harmony vocal. f*** knows what that sounded like. Loved doing it though

Massive shout out for Sparky in the Clouds who were amazing! That guitarist is knockout, you should have seen what he did on some of the other songs, including some filthy distortion and mental slide on that nylon string, Lozz will bear this out

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HJ_l1HkZ3w[/media]

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1374275781' post='2147233']
Totes amazeballs!
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F*ckin totes f*ckin ABalls blud.

That was so moving, wonderful stuff that I'm a complete sucker for. Adorable.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1374230408' post='2146631']
Looking forward to it mate
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Yeah it will be good to see you man!

Back at the Good Ship in Kilburn tonight, one of our favourite venues, should be a great night of music.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1374162383' post='2145986']
Wrong.

I expect you'll find most if not all people in this thread think it's best to do ear training and to learn theory. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Exactly. Jesus, the bullshit I used to write on here about this

[quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1374156663' post='2145906']
My my, I have opened a can of worms here. Fair enough , you all think its better to learn theory. If the OP wants that, take it away. Im just saying the way I learnt was to play along with records. Didnt do me any harm. I have since taken theory on board. You say tomaetoes, I say Tomatoes. The guy said he was a complete beginner. If that was me and I was doing scales all the time, I would be cheesed off in no time. I would want to get stuck in to my favourite songs, but we are all different
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That's the problem with applying your own personality to other peoples' needs.

This starts tomorrow, anyone else going to give it a go?

https://www.coursera.org/course/improvisation

[quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1374094175' post='2145291']
i would listen closely to the tracks you want to emulate and try to emulate them. look at the patterns and shapes to see where they go and pick it apart to analyse and recycle into your own style
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That's what I've been doing for 30 years, and why I am now taking theory lessons from Jake.

[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1374071840' post='2144979']
You see, that's much nicer. You can be nice when you try. Noones calling you a mug. Stay with me a while. Do you mind if I sit beside you? Aaaaahhhhhh that's nice. You are really such a nice boy. I wasn't cross with you earlier, really I wasn't. You mustn't ever think that, but I must say I didn't like your "TONE".
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Eewww! Creepy bastard.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1374061379' post='2144796']
A tad harsh, Nigel, imo...

'...It's really important...' Really important to whom..? To the player..? Why not. To his/her band mates..? Often; not always. To the audience..? Maybe, to some; certainly far from the majority, methinks. This is not a slur on them, or anyone, merely my personal opinion and experience. Some folks care about wholemeal bread, others just eat sarnies and know not what they're eating. To each his own..?
'...unless you don't care if you sound like...' Surely this is not the only alternative..? Too binary for me, I'm afraid. Not being a tone geek, to me, does not automatically make all sounds emitted bad (or worse...). You plug in, turn on and play and 'Lo..!' the sound is good..! Out of the box..! Miracle..! If one is not interested in spending any more time than that on the subject, and the result is amply adequate for the occasion, I wouldn't call that a bad result. As for it being the 'local': it could well be adequate for the Royal Albert Hall, too.
I'm not suggesting that one should not try to improve any or all aspects of one's playing, but to denigrate in the manner posted seems, to me, to be somewhat exaggerated.
No malice intended; respect.
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[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1374063522' post='2144833']
"A sonic attitude" now you see that's exactly the kind of bollix I'm going on about. What does that even mean. A band may have a signature sound ie "he has always used chorus" or "she has always gone for overdrive". Details like that I find acceptable however the rest if it is a mixture of OCD and vanity. I normally rely on you old boy for sane rationality however it would seem that the blood sucking bastards have sank their fangs into you too, and alas I have lost a true ally to this mad world of "low end" and "sonic attitude". I guess it won't be long before they come for me. Resistance will be futile but I won't let the bastards take me without a fight. What's that noise? I think I hear them on the stairs now, quick where is my corkscrew? I would rather gouge out my eardrums than be tones whore.........

Hello? Hello? No this is not "the boys" apartment. He lives next door but I think he's out. What are you doing? I've told you I am not he!! Stop this at once!! Ooohhhh? Stoppit! Now cut it out, seriously you guys this isn't cool!!!!! Oh actually, show me that one again. Oh right? So what you're saying is, if I flick the modulator while stepping on the flange drive assuming off course I'm using your pickups and your amp and his pedal....... I should get the sound in my head......... Oh my god that's amazing. Let me get my credit card. Can I get you guys a drink? You must be really thirsty after kicking my door down............... No, I'm out of Cinzano but I've got some west coast cooler.
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[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1374067774' post='2144912']
Good points. We play in [u]bands[/u] don't we and people come to hear a [u]band[/u] don't they? Who goes to a band to listen to the tone of the bassplayer - apart from other bassplayers perhaps!

I've seen bands (without a desk) set themselves up by each spending ages fiddling with their amp and pedal settings until they are all individually happy and then start playing without any reference to the overall mix for the audience. I guess they sound good to themselves on stage but the results can be crap for the audience.
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[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1374068288' post='2144924']
Bravo!!!!!
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What I mean is, you should try to ensure your tone/s fit the band's music, that they complement the band, and if you so wish you can build your personality into them as well. All the band members need good sounds and they all need to work together, in the studio and on the stage. Why this is so hard to understand is beyond me. If you don't care about your tone, that's fair enough, but don't be preaching that mantra to others, that they're mugs for caring.

[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1374058657' post='2144729']
Absolutely, this is what it's all about.

90% of tone etc is all bollix. So is all the talk and spew that comes out of people's mouths trying to describe what they are hoping to achieve. This is the nerd element of this game and something I have in the past exhausted my self with until I realised that you will only ever achieve good tone when you stop caring. Perfect tone is a myth and a scam generated by people trying to sell us gear and gives us gas.

Oh yeah another thing I've learned over the years is that the key to good tone is having volume to spare.
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Part truth, part bollocks. Most of the bassists we talk about worked hard and evolved their tones and sounds. It's really important that your band sounds the best it can and projects a sonic attitude, unless you don't care if you sound like Bill sh*tt*r & The Shittones down the Twat & Cabbage on Tuesday night before the meat raffle.