Al Krow

15 hours ago, Jack said:

Yes I don't want better sounds on the Stomp, I just want more of them. The 8 block rule is fine if you want 8 gain pedals, but create a patch with a polyphonic pitch shifter and you might only be able to add 2/3 more blocks. 

How good is the poly pitch shifter on the Stomp for tracking? Not come across pedals that do this really well, so this would definitely make the Helix effects worth considering for me (maybe something like a Pod Go).

36 minutes ago, Buddster said:

Probably because the Aux sends for the monitor is Pre-fader (and as most feedback is due to loud monitor volumes) turning the pre Eq gain (ie pre fader) would turn down the monitors too, helping reduce feedback. 

However, turning monitors down using the gain isn't really the way to do it, it should be turned down via the Aux send. 

Channel gains would normally be set at the sound check and not really touched again as it effects everything on that channel (other aux sends, post fader volume etc) 

 

Note. Eq is pre-monitor mix (normally) so adding top eq to get the FoH sound will effect the monitors and this can cause feedback, so taking the top off can help reduce f/b. Even turn the hi eq down on the physical monitor helps. 

That's helpful thanks. We're actually using pretty limited stage monitoring, guitarist has a small Behringer B205D one in the main line up, but otherwise we use IEMs.

Is it the high frequencies that are usually the main culprit for feedback? We've certainly had low end boominess too, which I suspect is not uncommon for many bands at some point.

8 minutes ago, Phil Starr said:

This was a big garden with picnic tables scattered around. It was rural Dorset with lots of space and not so many people. I imagine it's also about angles, I'm only a 32"waist but at 3" away from the transmitter I block maybe 170deg of radiation

Ok - in which case if you were to wander into an audience you would likely face drop outs pretty quickly with the Lekato? If so, the Nux is likely to fare better.  Obvs not an issue if you don't wander into the crowd occasionally though, as I have to 'fess-up to doing from time to time! 

On 26/03/2024 at 11:17, edstraker123 said:

I've just snagged a used green one for £500  on ebay from a local seller I've bought off before. His basses are usually set up with the lowest action of any I've ever played so dying to get my hands on it tonight.

Looking forward to getting your thoughts on it!

In terms of eliminating feedback there seems to be a consensus that cutting the pre EQ input gain on the desk is better than cutting the post EQ faders vol.

Is that the correct approach? If so, what's the thinking behind it given the volume per channel ends up being the same ?

On 20/03/2024 at 21:07, Elfrasho said:

Me and my band use a zoom l12 for rehearsals, in ears and occasionally live. Apart from it being slightly plasticy feeling, functionally it works great ( the monitor mixing took a few goes to get my head round but its actually very simple). I've got it in a flight case which it never leaves so not got a huge concern over breaking it, and so far very good. A much cheaper option especially if you're wanting to go IEMs as this will also be your headphone amp, and more "traditional" as it has actual faders. 

It's certainly a good value bit of kit. Are you using it with IEMs?

We found ours fine with wired IEMs but unusable with our Xvive wireless IEMs due to the lack if shielding from the relatively cheap plastic casing.

We subsequently swapped to Soundcraft MTK12 which works well, is multitrack and still decent value.

20 hours ago, Phil Starr said:

Thanks Al, I hadn't noticed a lot of noise though my Line6 was actually much quieter than a cable. My first gig with the Lekato was in a pub garden. It still connects at 100m though not it you get your body between it and the receiver.

But fine if the punters' bodies are between?

Worth mentioning to Thomann? I think @BigRedX has previously said it's a legal obligation to supply a UK adaptor?

26 minutes ago, SamIAm said:

Fair question.

In my experience ...

Newer tends to mean faster  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law) - allowing for better tracking, more sophisticated IRs, longer signal chains, using more complex plugins in signal chains, reduced latency.

OFC most of these things would also require s/w changes.

Sam x

Wot Sam said 😊

And overall more "realistic" sounds / better pitch shifting. But the nuances may not matter a great deal in a live band mix to anyone but ourselves. Will be much more noticeable in a home or studio environment when you're not competing with a drummer and guitarist.

And even with whatever processing power, few multis can yet still do as decent a filter or synth sound comparable to dedicated pedals.

25 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

I suppose in my case the Helix already does the vast majority of things that I want and it does them very well.

 

All the "improvements" I am after should be possible with the existing hardware and all I need to do is to persuade Line6 to implement them in a future firmware update.

Bear in mind your full fat Helix has double the chip set and processing power of the Stomp (or HX Effects). It shouldn't therefore run into the same processor power limitations that @Jack was referring to.

If processing power is an issue, then maybe have a think about the Boss GT1000 Core as an alternative? The Stomp chipset is almost 9 years old now and getting a little long in the tooth compared to some of its rivals. That's not a criticism that can be levelled at the software patches available for the Stomp though!

26 minutes ago, Phil Starr said:

Hiya, that's interesting, I'm using the Lekato at the moment, no real problems so far. I used a Line6 before and no problems there either, but I prefer the form of the Lekato, just a bit less fiddly.

 

How is the Nux better?

I found the Lekato noticeably noisier i.e. it introduced a slightly gritty/dirty tone with a couple of my basses. Tbf I would say the Boss WL-20 was even cleaner than either (comparable to a cable).  

The Nux has excellent range - I've wandered 20m+ to the back of a couple of venues we've played at mid-set with no drop-outs. The Lekato may be able to match - but I never got as far as testing for this.

2 hours ago, nilorius said:

Hmm....I set ef as a first pedal before compresor and chorus, the sound was ok and ef responded very well on my playing quest. The only thing was, that compressor shut the ef a little bit down at volume. Then i tried to set ef after the compressor and ef start to sound a bit like a none responding to attack fx, but not eat the volume down. 

So how about using the filter on its own without the compressor at all? How does that sound?

1 hour ago, BigRedX said:

 

Ideally what you want to do is to be able to change the order of the pedals to suit the sound(s) you want to create. Now if only there was a device that did this....

Haha there are several, right? eg Boss ES5? 

But personally I'm content in a live band mix to get something that works well. I appreciate for studio work you would likely want to get something more refined and honed.

58 minutes ago, Japhet said:

 

 

If you put the compressor in front it takes out the dynamics that the envelope filter reacts to.

Agreed - which ties into the school of thought that says give the filter pedal the most complex input signal you can to filter i.e. pretty much at the end of the signal chain. In which case you would then put your compressor or limiter (to tame unwanted spikes) after it, if you're using one.

10 hours ago, Pirellithecat said:

Hi - Started with Boss WL 20 = 2.4Ghz
Started using IEM's XVive = 2.4Ghz
Lots of drop outs
Moved to Lekato 5.8Ghz and kept using XVive 2.4Ghz
Problem completely resolved.
Pity really as the Boss Units are an order of magnitude better in terms of ease of use and quality.

That pretty much exactly summarises my journey, too. Except I went one step further and got a set of Nux 5.8 Ghz wireless having tried the Lekato - the Nux are more on a par with the Boss in terms of both price and quality IMO. 

@Jakester

"I have a pedalboard setup that I'm happy with"

I think you've answered your question 😊

If, however, you fancy spending a lot of time getting up to speed on a multi-fx and tweaking it so that it gets close to your dedicated pedals with your specific rig, so that you're equally happy with your Stomp well that's an entirely different matter - crack on! 

Well if it's good enough for Mohini Dey 😁...apparently one of just two pedals on her board she has gone and bought herself. The rest were given to her.

Maybe a smart move for Andras to pop a V4 in the post to her along with your manual and get her to record a demo for you? Just a thought!

Turns out that Mohini Dey is a bit of an FI fan!

1 hour ago, Chienmortbb said:

I did eventually but the CQ20. The WiFi is so much better than any of the mixers I have used, although the M18 is missing from those I have tried. What has impressed me is the noise....there is none that I can here. It is also much smaller than I imagined and a better form factor than the  Soundcraft or Behringer/Midas competitors.  I also love the chorus for bass guitar, in fact all the effects seem pretty good. I also love the Double Tracker and plan to use it on tomorrow's gig. I have not needed the groups/DCA yet.

That's another thumbs up for this new A&H range and a cumulative GAS leak into our collective consciousness! 

Being digital can you can tailor whatever fx you want to each channel? Unlike a lot of analogue desks where the fx choice is global and either apply it or not is then the only option, so ends up being reverb for vox and off for the rest of the band.

Please talk us through the key benefits of the Double Tracker for your set up?

1 hour ago, pete.young said:

I have one. I know Essex is a big place but if you're at the Colchester end and fancy a trip to Ipswich you're welcome to come round and try it.

 

@51m0n wrote a great review of it here:

 

That's the one! Simon's in-depth knowledge about compression is pretty much unrivalled.

40 minutes ago, DaleASmith said:

apologies maybe I didn’t explain very well. 
How many effects have parameters that can be controlled with an external expression pedal? 
Looking at the manual, it’s only 5. They are listed separately at the end of the effects list. 
I was thinking you would be able to control drive / EQ / filter parameters as well as the usual Wah / volume effects. 

Out of interest, which parameters would you look to control on drive and EQ?

Just checked my three fuzz pedals and none of them have expression input options. One of my two filter pedals does (but not the other). 

1 hour ago, tubbybloke68 said:

Hi Al, excuse my ignorance, is this a Japanese made model and do you know what the string spacing is please? Many thanks, Jeff 

Hi Jeff - 18mm spacing (with individual bridge saddles). I think it was made in Taiwan. 

Seriously tasty Spector, Lee! 

8 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

There was another YT video where someone asked what the point of the MS-50G+ was - the issue being that it doesn't have any amp sims in it. Preamp sims, yes, but not amp/cab sims.

 

 

He does go on (and on!) about where to put this pedal in the chain - overthinking things, lol!

But finally says something useful at 2.40 when he comments "currently, as far as the actual models themselves go, I'm a lot more impressed with this than I was the MS-50G"

So to answer his question, I'd maybe suggest that's why this pedal exists 😅

If the new '+' models have an upgraded chip set, that extra DSP is going to win through in the end. There's been very few times when older processing related hardware has held it's own against more modern kit.