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I own two Vigiers, an Excess and an Arpege 5 string. In terms of downtuned heavy rock/thrash, I actually prefer my Excess to the Arpege. The Excess has a slightly less complex EQ system and is definitely more of an all out rock bass. The Arpege is more of a refined bass and was my bass of choice for doing modern metal/prog stuff. In terms of old school downtuned metal in the High on Fire/Baroness/Mastodon/Saviours/Kylesa stuff, I would pick the Excess over the Arpege or Passion every time. One thing to consider is that the scale length of the Vigiers is slightly under 34 inches, so if you are tuning down to C you might need to use bigger strings than you would if you were using a 35 inch scale bass or a fanned fret alternative like a Dingwall. I don't find the scale length on the Vigier to be an issue, but saying that I love the sound of a downtuned Rickenbacker bass which only has a 33 inch scale. Also be aware that the Vigiers have no trus rod, so you will never ever be able to adjust the amount of relief on the neck. On the plus side, the neck should never move, so the relief on the neck on the day you buy the bass should be the same relief when you pick the bass up again ten years later. I have had the Excess for nearly 14 years now and no neck issues so far. Though saying that I've had an 1974 Gibson EB3 and a 1978/9 (ish) Fender Precision for nearly 20 years and not had any neck stability issues with them either. I don't think that carbon fibre necks are essential. I would really recommend trying as many basses as you can just to see what neck shapes/pickups and EQ systems you prefer.

The support band won't have been mixed by the same engineer, and won't even have been mixed through the same mixing desk. There's so many variables involved in getting a good sound. Taking Brixton as an example - it's a beautiful and storied venue. I was really excited to be mixing in there and ticking it off the list. The advice I got from colleagues that had been through there was that it's a hideous sounding room when it's empty, but more manageable when full, and that the sound at the mix position doesn't reflect how it sounds across most of the rest of the room, especially around the tricky bottom end. So - you're on the back foot with the room before you've started. Then - many venues that size don't have an installed sound system. It's brought in show by show, by the artist or promoter's chosen supplier. The system will depend on the budget, and the headline artist's brand preference. This has to be flown/stacked, configured, time aligned to suit the space. This is largely science with a splash of art, and is a skill set in itself separate from being a mix engineer. A great system tech is a desirable thing. They create the canvas that the FOH has to work with, so is again filled with variables. Soundcheck comes - taking that Brixton gig as an example, the headline band had a closed soundcheck. I didn't even get to walk up to the desk until they were done. They ran an hour over schedule. I raced to FOH with my carefully prepared show file on my USB stick, filled with confidence because I knew I'd prepped the file well and could start quickly. I got to the mix position to find I'd been supplied a completely different desk from the one in the advance, my show file was now useless and I was starting from scratch on am unfamiliar desk over an hour behind schedule. The ten minute rushed soundcheck we had meant I didn't get the opportunity to walk the room enough to get a proper feel for how it sounded away from the mix position, and also meant I didn't have time to do anything but the very quick basics to throw a decent mix together. When it came to show time, I discovered all the little issues that the rushed soundcheck had hidden - like just how over-egged with bass and lacking in mid some of the bass sounds coming from the SansAmp on stage were. Whilst there was plenty of low end, there was next to nothing I could do to dial the clarity back in to the midrange because that detail just wasn't reaching me at the desk. In every song, I had effects changes and constant fader rides to do to suit the arrangement, lift key parts in the important places etc, so trying to firefight sonic imperfections around that. The half our set is over before I know it. Band and management made up with the mix, I know it was ok but would have been much better given more favourable circumstances. [Edit to add: When you're in a full venue, with regular adjustments to make, it's often just not practical to go for a wander to hear how it sounds across the room. In a sold out gig, to get far enough away from the desk to hear the difference, means there's too many people in the way of you getting back quickly to react to something hapening on stage. I don't know many engineer's working directly with a band whose mix stays static throughout a show. If you know the material, you play the mix to suit and it's constantly changing. ] That's a pretty typical day and regular set of challenges on a live show of that scale, and that's barely touching on the amount of things on stage in terms of tone, musical arrangements, performance, stage volume/spill etc that you can't control from behind the FOH desk and just have to deal with as best you can. If it was that easy to make everything sound great in every corner of every venue, anyone could do it. Sometimes it's easy, but sometimes it's really bloody hard. "Turn the kick down" and "tweak the mids" doesn't really cover it!

The gig was good like it always is in the place we were playing, but there is no stage, so you are in a corner of a pub, so the microphone is always being knocked, the lights are always being tripped over and a couple of drunk women feel that it is good to stand between you and the singer dancing facing out like it is their stage. And then turn round to glare at you once they headbut the end of your bass. Sorry - my bass belongs here, your head doesn't!

Let’s not

Fender Elite Jazz Bass for $121.38. Wow bargain......I bought 10!!!

I'll be eating those words tomorrow!

£25 you were robbed.....🤑😃🤪😝😃😅

Template made and sanded...... Blank all cut and set out ready to glue up a bit later...... Here’s the top.... And here’s the back (it’s not quite centered but it’s just a rough guide)....

Hi all, Tomm Stanley from Stonefield music here. I always like hearing comments from the bass community and you'll find me popping in on other sites to engage discussion around our instruments, so thanks go out to Brook_fan for initiating the thread. While the Stinger is tuned the same as a guitar and the voice is totally different. You simply can't get this voice, typically found in the second octave of a six string bass, on a guitar. As noted by Sibob, Wing have been doing a short scale six-stringer for some time now but we extended the scale length so it's application is not primarily a travel instrument and the facility for playing chords is much greater. The price point is what it is ... very little build cost changes re the build just because 14 inches of neck is removed. The 'controversy' over our external jack plate always makes me chuckle. It does have the look of an upside down Strat plate but it's not. We designed the plate and have them machined from billet aluminium. They are an integral part of the instrument's electrical shielding, though that's not where the inspiration came from: the placement is a totally ergonomic choice. Stand with your bass on a strap, hold the cable in your right hand (left for lefty players) and bring your hand to the lower corner of your bass; that's where you find our input jack. No feeling around trying to find the jack, no need to lift the bass and look for the jack, no need to be scratching up the side of the instrument as you blindly poke for the jack. Finally, when you put the instrument in a stand, you can leave it plugged in without the protruding cable getting in the way of the stand support. Some ask me if it gets in the way of the control knobs. Nope; I can reach down without even looking and by touching the cable immediately know if I'm going for the tone (closest to the bridge) or one of the volume controls. Such a simple design, so many benefits, so much controversy For more on the Stinger and it's application check out these vids from our stand at NAMM18 in Anaheim: And feel free to hit me with any other questions or comments. All the Best, Tomm

Well this thread was in the back of my mind when I was looking for a new P bass. Found one online, emailed the guys, got a great deal and after a chat over the phone pulled the trigger on a '73 p in mocha finish. Apparently it's a shop fave and they're sad to see it go, which sounds great to me. Even got lots of pics and a sound clip with one of the guys playing it. Great customer service and yeah a 3 year warranty and servicing, outstanding. I will be visiting next time I'm down south. Long live the humble but brilliant music shops👊🏻

Forgetting that the last time you packed up your gear you were drunk and now it's a big spaghetti mess of leads inside a flight case.

HB PB-50 Modded! - *Version 3.0* *Audio Clip* This is my third modification of a Harley-Benton PB-50 Precision Bass. If you want to see what the stock donor bass looks like, Thomann have it for sale here - with more and better pictures than I can be bothered to take: https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_pb_50_sb_vintage_series.htm As usual I reshaped the headstock to a 50s-style Telebass and painted the pickguard, but this time I went to town and converted the stock four-saddle top-loading bridge to a through-body two-saddle bridge with ferrules, more in keeping with the 50s vibe. Yes, I had a spare pair of pants on hand when I drilled through the body. And being a bit fed up with sunburst, I did a full refinish in Shoreline Gold. Yes, I know Shoreline Gold wasn't available until after the 57 Precision redesign, but what the hell, I really like it. The pickup is another Herrick Tele '51' - this time the Neo magnet version as opposed to the AlNiCo 5 variant fitted to v2.0. It's a bit stronger in the high mids and top end, throws out a bit more signal and sounds great. https://www.herrickpickups.com/products/tele-51-bass-single-coil/ I really liked the look and texture of the Shoreline nitro, so didn't clear coat it. I'm hoping it will age naturally in all the right places. The only stock components remaining on this assembly are the body and neck (obviously), the neck plate, the control plate, the string tree and the strap buttons. Everything else has been upgraded or replaced. As you can see, the Fender flats are getting a bit elderly and I want to get some of those La Bella flats that are specifically made for through-body bridges. Nevertheless, the bass sounds great and plays like a premium instrument costing many times more than the donor bass. Result. Body refin in Shoreline Gold nitro Pickguard in Ivory Cream Squier Vintage Modified through-body two-saddle bridge with ferrules Herrick Neodymium Telebass '51' pickup CTS solid-shaft pots, Chiclet cap .047uF, Switchcraft jack in cats-eye side plate Fender flat-top knurled control knobs with grub screws Wilkinson WJBL 200 tuners Fender 9050M steel flatwounds 55-70-90-105 Thanks for looking!

Have any of you seen Toyah on her recent acoustic tour? She is 3 weeks of being 60, she looks amazing and sounds fabulous. All the hits plus some rarities done with 2 acoustic 6 strings and a bass (fretless and double). Musically outstanding which is remarkable because one of the regular guitarists was rushed to hospital earlier in the week to have his appendix removed so a dep was used. Not that you would have known if we hd not been told!! Toyah is doing some gigs with a full electric band in November and on the strength of last night I have booked my tickets. I recommend you do the same. N PS I have no connection to Toyah or members of the band.

Saw this on another site. https://www.stevesmusic.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index It's a hack of a Canadian shop. Since one was reported recently thought I'd let folks ken.

Carefull or the HPF police will be making a visit!!! 😂 I once tried out the ABM 1x15 which was a bit honky so tried out the ‘shelf ported’ Klystron Neo 1x15 - Cleaner, weightier bottom end. More even tone right up to the glassy top end and surprisingly fast so I made a purchase...

Kings X certainly made waves way back when and definitely influenced many bands.

Words fail me 😢

Congrats to your new Atelier! As a former owner of the M265 I thought I will chime in. These basses are great, but tend to be very heavy, mine had nearly 12 lbs (ash body, maple neck and fingerboard). You are lucky that yours is on the light side. Also the aestetics screams 70's bass, but the bridge pickup is in 60's position. The string spacing is 18 mm on a their fiver. Just my 2 cents for any potential buyers to look for. Anyway, this is top notch quality instrument and I sometimes miss mine that is gone now. Neck is very playable, sort of flat front to back and sound is amazing. Low B is killer. Enjoy this beautifull bass!

Unless the Strandberg basses are being made by Ola himself (unlikely) or in one of the custom shops, I wouldn't bother. I had a Strandberg Boden OS7 guitar and it was nice but it was the absolute top end of what I'd pay for an Asian instrument. The stuff coming out of the WMI factory is good but the prices for them now have gone up significantly since then and I just don't think it's worth it. Same with the Dingwalls, the Asian stuff is ok but personally I'd hold out for a real deal Canadian one.

Not really. Most of my recordings have been done on my Precision or a Sadowsky Metro rather than the Vigier. Also most of my recordings are in less heavy genres unfortunately. Never really managed to get a truly heavy band going and when did get to the demoing stage I recorded it on an old Precision! https://khydra.bandcamp.com/ This crap demo below done in 2005 is about the only slightly heavy recording I have of the Vigier Excess. We were all drunk at the time. Think it is tuned to C sharp: https://myspace.com/nythsco Did some alt rock demos with my old band in drop D, back when I couldn’t grow a beard but had a full head of hair: Might have something recorded later this year though with my new (to me) band, Electric Mother. Heavy rock in drop C for the most part. Not decided what bass to use for recording purposes yet. Might end up being the Excess. https://m.facebook.com/electricmotherband/?locale2=en_GB Sorry for spamming in advance!

You'll all feel pretty stupid - I've just seen it says "100% authentic" so there's nothing to worry about after all

Lol, there is no way thats legit. Love the bit that states ‘we started in 2014’, yet the website copyright says ‘2012’ . Time travelers as well as scammers.

Well that's a helpful steer thanks; but I guess the final thing is that if the GuitarLab 3.0 editor is only for the B3n (and G3n and G5n) and not for the MS-60B, then it probably still makes sense to get to grips with ToneLib as that can deal with both. Makes sense?

Nah! Cutting the crud below 20Hz, tightening up the low end, and stopping the house shaking when practising at home has been one of the better marriage-saving discoveries for me for 2018. HPFs rule! Every bass player should consider using

0m:36s Ashdown Drive Plus!! Received it 10 years ago when I gained an Ashdown Artist edorsement. Tried all their other pedals, chorus and dual-band compressor, etc but they really weren’t up to much for my tastes and yes they are a size but the growl & colourful harmonics can’t be matched. Bought and returned or sold just about every OD pedal going froum US to 80’s Jap over the years even more recently the Darkglass’s. Serious pedals (instant production & gratification) BUT you get the ‘cold’ sound everyone has nowadays and really, just not convinced.. Other pedals sound like lo-gain distortion which is kinda thin, fuzzy and cold. The Ashdown is all about response so it demands to be practiced for months to ‘get’ it. Sure, get a pick out and strum like an unknowing thug and fuzz is all you’ll get. Dynamics will lift your game. Fingerstyle will definitely give you a tone and timbre that can be truely tuned. Fine tune the Hi gain then figure where on the string and how hard to pick/ strike is best to get a tone!!! Basics!! ...and nevermind being sidetracked with HPF scientific -20hz debates 😂😂

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Limelite would be something like this then - classic late 50s/early 60s family saloon, heavy relic, no pick up covers 😀

I used a white Fablon type film,bought from LIDL, on both my PB-50 and Dano Wildthing scratchplates. Cost £3.99 and reckon it'll do about 5.

Style over Content

@BrunoBass There's a good chance you'll find the strings and pole pieces don't align perfectly. From the start of 2018 the factory swapped from an 80mm BBOT bridge to a 86mm Hi Mass job. The Hi Mass saddles are a bit wider too. That little change had me puzzled on Friday when PB-50 #5 arrived.

I suppose the relic job would have to be faked too, maybe cars belonging to cash for cash 'victims'?

Guys - this is just an AMAZING resource! (And I can't believe it's taken me so long to find this thread ). Really recommend supporting / making a donation to Christophe's venture; 1000+ pages of transcriptions available. Wonderful. Thanks very much Christophe.

'More efficient use of time' - I like that! I am up in Leicester about once a month at the moment, but we cram as much as we can into each rehearsal, so if I do make a BB in the area, it will be a short stop at the end of the day. Hopefully, that will work out some time though.

Limelight- replica kit car with fake badges.

Skoda Octavia=Squier good build quality for less

Not sure if I posted this here or on TB, but here’s my 76 Thunderbird

I reported it again so hopefully it was probably taken down. Hopefully if it keeps on getting removed they'll stop trying! Seems to be some sort of bot that uses accounts that have had their passwords compromised

I'm sure he said something that sounded quite like that at the time.

Alan, from ACG has just updated his profile and the bass in question caused me to have stirring that I haven't experienced in a long time.

Never heard of her, so I looked up a few videos. I wish I hadn't.

Ah, "Drastic Plastic" "Axe Vicitim" (which had a brilliant cover - well, I thought it was.... back in the day) Re BN's Red Noise - I used to think the video to "Do you dream In colour" was the wackiest thing I'd ever seen! You can look up loads of Bill Nelson on YouTube - A Firestick was the best thing I ever bought (non-bass related, that is) For some inexplicable reason, I sold quite a bit of vinyl years back.... One of the albums I'm really sorry I sold, was "Atmospheres for dreaming" - which came as a bonus 12" disc with another LP (I think that was "Quit dreaming and get on the beam"? - please correct me if I'm wrong) But I'd taped "Atmospheres" and probably needed cash..... I haven't found a copy on CD, and really wish I could Anyhow, as soon as Duarte said your track sounded like BN - I Immediately thought the same, as it reminded me of "Atmospheres" I played the track again earlier... and I'll play it again later. Let me know when your CD is released!

And the song goes on for FAR too long anyway ... just suggest they chop out the whole Slash-solo nonsense that makes up the second half of it.

That's un oeuf of that... sorry

Northampton circa 1987 One of the above posts reminded me of another "interesting" audition / short lived band, I have always loved Reggae and really fancied creating a band, I fell in with a older Jamaican guy whose name I seem to remember was Glenroy, he was a decent singer / songwriter / guitarist who had some musicians lined up but no bass player.....I was in, we booked a rehearsal room and everyone turned up, Glenroy would start playing something and we would join in, for a first rehearsal we actually sounded pretty good, after each jam / song I would score out a very basic bassline ACDG x4 etc, we recorded on an old double cassette machine a horribly distorted tape of the rehearsal which we copied so everyone had a copy....at the end of the rehearsal we agreed it was worth taking forward and the band shall be known as Culture Mix.... We agreed to get together the following week for another rehearsal prior to playing at the Riverside festival in Bedford the following day!!! We met up, set up and started to play.....everything in a different key to the week before, it ground to a halt, I said "we play this in G"..... "No man we have always played it in D".... "err no I wrote it down last week".....the keyboard player nods in agreement, he also scored the parts the previous week..... "nah man you are both wrong I have never played it in G"..... so we fire up the tape which shows it was in G..... "nah man your tape player is playing it slow!" Virtually every song was in a different key to the previous week! We still managed to finish the rehearsal....the singer says we are still playing the festival in Bedford tomorrow.... We got to the festival about 11.30 the following day, what time are we on? I ask.... "Later on" is the reply 2 pm comes and goes still nothing. so I ask again "in a bit" is the reply 4 pm comes and goes and still nothing.....by 6 pm the singer finally comes clean, we were not even booked for the festival he just thought we would turn up and blag our way onto the stage, which unsurprisingly wasn't going to happen That was the end of the band and the end of me playing in a Reggae band!

Bristol, 2011 The last audition I had was for a band that the drummer who was in my jazz band had joined about six months previously. The band had regular gigs but didn't have a bass player up to that point as there 'wasn't enough money to pay a fourth person'. Anyway, they wanted a double bass player and the drummer wanted me in the band so he booked a local rehearsal space and the singer/guitarist drove the 60 miles from his home to Bristol for the occasion (which he moaned about all the way through the audition). I'd learnt the songs from the album the band had just recorded - it was pretty easy as there was no bass on the album, so I could just do what I wanted and it was all Johnny Cash style G/C/D stuff. Easy peasy. The singer/frontman bailed out of the session half an hour before it was due to start as he'd forgotten he was supposed to be playing football. No problem says drummer, the guitarist can sing the other guys parts. The audition got underway and everything seemed good to me. The drummer was mostly playing along with the guitar as that's the sound they had evolved without a bass player, but the drummer and I had been playing jazz together for the past three years so I wasn't bothered about having to play along to a non-standard drum part. The guitarist wasn't happy though..... when the drummer asked him how he felt it was going, all he could say was 'I dunno - it's not what I was expecting'. Further questioning from the drummer revealed that he actually didn't know what to expect as he'd only ever done solo stuff and had never played in an actual band before this one and had never played with a bass player before. No problem says the drummer, we'll have a proper rehearsal next week, before the next gig with singer/frontman and we'll see how much better it is. Fast forward to next weeks rehearsal, the frontman/singer bails again because he has a hangover... so we go ahead anyway and rehearse the set. Drummer is happy, I'm reasonably happy but guitarist still doesn't know if I sound like he thinks he wants it to sound, even though he can't explain to me what that sound is. He's also demonstrating an alarming tendency to be unable to remember which key the songs should be in. Drummer reckons we're all sorted for the gig next week. I'm less convinced. Alarm bells should be ringing - I've not yet met this flaky singer/frontman who I'll meet for the first time at the gig next week and the guitarist is still being very non-committal about whether I'm in the band or not. it's only my faith in the drummer and his insistence that 'everything will be cool' that I'm not walking away - but it's not looking good from my perspective The gig comes round and I meet the singer/frontman for the first time. He's actually a pretty cool bloke and apologises for not being at the audition/rehearsal, but admits that as he's never been in a band with a bass player before, he would have no idea if I was any good or not and therefore would have no meaningful input to make. Fair enough really. The gig goes pretty well, the band's fans say they love the addition of bass, so I'm in if I want it..... 7 years later I'm still in this band. we do 60+ gigs a year and have released four albums. Not all auditions from hell end up staying in hell. The original guitarist is gone though - he whinged one too many times about having to drive to Bristol for 2 gigs and two rehearsals a year.

No problem - to you, £750.

Because that's the same thing. Obviously.