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Stolen from elsewhere, made me laugh....could easily sub Basschat and some bass related topic I fear! How many Facebook group members does it take to change a spark plug? 1 to change the spark plug and to post that spark plug has been changed. 14 to share similar experiences of changing spark plugs and how the spark plug could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing spark plugs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing spark plugs. 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "spark plug" is an electrical device threaded into the cylinder of an internal-combustion engine to ignite the fuel mixture by producing timed sparks between electrodes. 2 to post that this group is not about spark plugs and to please take this discussion to a spark plug group. 27 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use spark plugs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group. 16 to debate which method of changing spark plugs is superior, where to buy the best spark plugs, what brand of spark plugs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 2 to post URL's where one can see examples of different spark plugs. 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the spark plug controversy. 4 to suggest that posters request the spark plugs FAQ. 16 to post "F". 44 to ask what is a "F"? 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 3 to say "do a Google search on spark plugs before posting questions about spark plugs". 14 to post photos of spark plugs they own. 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again....

Again, who are you trying to protect here with this proposed ban? Fender and their trademarks? An unwitting buyer? If the latter, as long as the bass being sold isn't being misrepresented this isn't a problem. If it is being misrepresented (e.g. a Limelight being advertised as a genuine Fender) this breaches the forums terms and will be pulled when its inevitably spotted. If the former, who made you the forum prefect? This is not your issue to police, nor is it the forum's; it's an issue between Fender and (e.g.) Limelight. This whole thread just seems like a pretext for you to alter what can be bought or sold on the BC marketplace just to suit the fact that you don't understand why / disapprove of someone putting the wrong logo on a bass. Your proposal is a drastic solution to an issue that - as far as I'm aware - simply hasn't been a problem on this forum and you're invoking some ill-defined 'protecting of innocent buyers' notion as a pretext for it.

I am sorry to say I have recently fallen for such shinannigans, I brought a Fender Custom shop 1963 Precision bass secondhand, with all the certificates and case goodies, it now turns out the bass was actually built in 2016 and contains no genuine 1963 parts at all, I can't believe I fell for such a con, should I burn the darned thing now so no future potential owner can be deceived in the same way I clearly have been? I seem to have made this mistake before, I brought a Fender 50's classic Precision bass that also turned out not to be made in the 50's I didn't like the bridge, the pick up or the sticky reverse wind tuners, I replaced them all with better quality parts (Gotoh and Lindy Fralin) do I still own a Fender Precision or is that also an unsaleable copy, please help, confused of Northampton?

Then what a good job you were here to point it out. 'Basses for Sale' works very well and has a way lower incidence of deceit and fakery than the usual suspects such as G*mtr** and *B*y, where one is much more likely to encounter less-than-honest sellers. BassChat 'for sale' forums work very well because the people who put items up for sale here are largely honest and community-minded. If you want to imperil that with a draconian rethink of the existing system then you risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's a non-issue.

Yes, you are reading it wrong. It is to avoid having to talk with (or be talked at) by John Hall. talk to him, you would understand!

Are we already suffering from too much holiday time on our hands, or what? I say every Fender bass made after 1965 is questionable - because Leo sold the company to CBS in that year and thus they were no longer made by him. Thhp! Maybe we should have a member vote on it? And should the site owners go nuts and say we can list only 'genuine' Fender basses on BassChat, I'll be more than happy to PhotoShop the decals off mine before posting the pictures. And subsequently PM any prospective buyers to tell them that it still has a Fender decal on it. How''d you like THEM apples, ladies? This is first-world-virtue-signalling-snowflake-problem stuff, people. If you're determined to worry, there are far more important things to be worrying about. If you really think the possible misuse of guitar decals is any sort of an issue, I would suggest you thicken your skin somewhat, get out a bit more and start enjoying life.

As far as BC is concerned, I think its sole ethical duty boils down to whether there's an intention to deceive a prospective buyer. The OP first raised this earlier today on an ad placed by a BCer for his Limelight Jazz bass. That bass is clearly being sold as a Limelight - not an original Fender - and as such imo there's clearly no intention to deceive a buyer. They know they're buying a Limelight, not a vintage Fender. And imo there ends BC's (and the buyer's) responsibilities. To claim that they must also be responsible for any future selling of that bass, possibly long after they sold it here, is nonsense. You wouldn't expect someone to be held responsible for the correct & legal resale down the line of, say, a car they sell tomorrow on autotrader, so why would you a bass? As for the ethics of putting Fender stickers on non fender basses; personally, I'm not remotely arsed about whether some huge corporations trademark is being infringed, and i'm surprised that anyone who isn't a corporate lawyer acting for one of those corporations could give a hoot either. Are we all gonna start acting as unofficial trademark policemen for private corporations we have no connection with? Seems a bit weird and cult-of-Apple like to me...:)

Same outfit as me: B|Amp and 2x HD 112's Great sound. I bought mine from Bass Direct back in September and didn't realise they were going to get so difficult to source so I'm glad I did!

That list could be on any forum anywhere. And one of my good reasons for not being on Farcebook

Sounds like you may need to mute the strings between the bridge and the tailpiece. They make a right racket through the piezo.

We all know. You proposed a similar ban on such things being sold on here (which could be anything, even on the sell anything pages) and this was rejected. What more is there to say. Yes, we implicitly condone it but we don't care. You seem to have one sympathiser as far as I can see but the mods have stated that nothing will be changing. Carry on by all means but it's your head and your brick wall.

Sorry I got to page 8 and then gave up: 1. The forum T&Cs clearly outline it is prohibited to decieve 2. The mod team and about 15.000 other active members already jump onto members if they misbehave, misrepresent etc etc. 3. 99.9% of BC users are here because this is a specialist bass site 4. 99.9% of BC users are trustworthy 5. No clear examples of deception can be reproduced 6. There is no real method to guarantee fakes are spotted To me this spells non-issue. It’s like putting a roundabout on a road nobody uses, you csn do it but it costs time, effort and does not solve anything really.

Making a mountain out of a molehill is perfectly acceptable unless someone tries to pass the molehill off as a mountain. That would be an attempt to deceive and I would probably have to go onto mountainchat to denounce the practice. In fact, I've seen several molehills for sale recently, each of which had been described as being a molehill but nevertheless had a little cocktail stick 'flag' stuck in the top with the name of a celebrated mountain written on it in biro. There was a 'Snowdon', a 'Ben Nevis' and - unbelievably - an 'Everest' with a little plastic figure purporting to be a representation of the Dalai Lama. I have referred the latter instance to dalailamachat and enjoy considerable optimism that the moderators will recognise their duty of care to Buddhists and stamp out this repugnant trade in fraudulent models of this much-loved religious leader. Imagine the pain and suffering when someone thinks they've bought the real Dalai Lama and it turns out to be a tiny bit of cheap Chinese sh*t. Some people might think that's acceptable. I don't.

Thank you for articulating my thoughts exactly. I tried, but the profanity filter would have exploded...

I think we all need to be protected from this scourge - a menace which is ruining the BC experience. (Also, I think Fender should maybe look at the reaction these things get, and perhaps learn from it.)

We're looking at making location a field which must be filled in when signing up but will have to do so on a test site.

I don't mind smaller companies copying a bass, as long as their own label is on it. People putting Fender logos on Squires is wrong, especially if they try to pass it off as a Fender. If you want a Fender, buy a Fender.

Nope. Nope. The misuse of brand logos is an issue and is illegal. As I mentioned, another site (The Fretboard) has implemented a no fake logos for sale policy, and at least one FB group has too. It is a real problem, not least exemplified by the fact that someone has posted on this thread that they bought a bass with a fake logo thinking it was a Fender. Commenting on whether folks have a thick skin or not is quite missing the point and is irrelevant.

This is great. I feel like I’m embroiled in some type of conspiracy. My life has just got interesting. I’m selling the bass in question on the forum. The original sale line I put up was “ Fender Jazz with limelight love” Another chatter pointed out that this may be throwing others of the sent. ill be perfectly honest, when I bought this bass I thought it was a fender jazz reissue that had been pimped by Limelight. I honestly thought that’s what they did. Like some people do with cars. Once I had read upon the company I realised I’d made a genuine mistake. So changed it immediately. Im not sure of the legality of logos etc. i completely agree about not promoting the sale of fake instruments in any way. I don’t think it’s the quality of the bass as the Limelight is stunnng to play and I own genuine vintage fender jazzes. It’s the intent to decive that would damage the site. Maybe it’s an issue for the powers at be need to consider ( wait until I’ve sold my Limelight first please) I do believe in the integrity of BC Members. I’ve been buying and selling on here for years and have never had anything but good experiences. I’ve often relied on the comments and knowledge of other members to inform my decision and increase my own knowledge I’ve always felt I can post questions Maybe we need a section to “Ask the experts”

So I’m still very good friends with All but two members of the band. Nice Christmas messages from all of them. They’re carrying on without me and the singer who left at the same time. The plan is to earn more, think my mate the guitarist will turn to bass and they’re going down the much more tried and tested “Dakota” route. A shame really - but I wish them well. Tomorrow we meet with Neurosurgeons and have a look around the family quarters at St.Marys in Manchester. All grand, Iris (the little bundle of stress/joy/fear/interpretation) is also going to be seen in 3d and we’ll hopefully come away with heads full of More information. Anyhow, we’re all enjoying Christmas...Jenny’s Nanna turned 100 today, and my Nanna turned 82. We met a new family addition today at a do, and my eldest daughter (Ella) got a guitar for Christmas and has declared I’m to be her bass player when she’s famous.

No.

So... we ban the sale of overt replicas, and allow only the sale of either genuine basses, or the surreptitious sale of fakes. I'm really not sure what the benefit of this approach is...?

Practically any bass is suitable for any music. You only need to look at photos of different bands playing in a style of music, and you'll see a variety of instruments being used. As has been said, turn the treble down and favour the neck pickup, play nearer the neck, maybe use flat wound strings.

Great guy to deal with - trustworthy member.

Tried a 5-cylinder once (an '86 Audi 90) but soon went back to 4's..........

I couldn't find an emoticon for tongue in cheek.

If we acknowledge that Prowla feels strongly about something that the vast majority of BC don't give two hoots about, can we forget all this and move on? Can we? Please?

BC is a community, and communities work because like minded people want to help, read this from a few years back: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/166617-basschat-and-the-8-string-p-bass/ In short if you belong to the 0.1% this community will take action. That is enough protection.

I love this place

But that's exactly whats been happening! There is NO evidence that anyone has listed a bass for sale with the intention of selling a fake! No need to change anything. It was all ticking along nicely until someone decided to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Got HOF Mini from Clive - true Gentleman plus his packing work - exceptional! Cheers! Tomas

Sorry for leaving this thread unattended for a while. Since David Heyes is running a bass workshop in North London on Sunday 15th April, it seems like a better idea to avoid that date. I suspect there'll be a several basschatters who'd like to be there - I know I would. The following weekend was suggested, but I have a recording commitment pencilled in then, which could make it tricky for me. So, here are two options: Saturday 14th April, or Sunday 22nd. I may not be able to make the latter date, but I'm happy to help with the organising even if it turns out I can't be there. One way or another Pete, I'll make sure there's cake.

Thanks for the information in the topic. I have been trying to decide if I needed to change the strings on my Kala Rumbler since they look a little rough. However, they stay in tune and sound good to my ears so after reading this thread I think I'll keep 'em on for a while.

If you are worried about the policy here, then surely it is better for you to buy and sell on that site, as you like the policy

Perhaps if you pm'd perceived "offenders" before affecting their sales threads?????

I believe Mark uses generic fender parts ie allparts etc, I dont think they are fender parts. When I originally sold it, I advertised it as a limelight 62 stack knob jazz bass. No mention of Fender A real 62 stacknob would sell for considerably more than the £750 i sold it for.

Free Live. Must be learnt note for note by any bass player.

Brilliant! Thanks mate, that confirms it now.

Last week I decided to finally put the Labella flat wound strings that I had bought almost 2 years ago on to my Yamaha BB 1200. You can imagine just how gutted I was when the A-string broke as I was putting the strings on. Finding a single replacement string was clearly highly unlikely so this would render the whole set as useless or at least mean that I would have to buy a new set and have three spares. On the off-chance that they might be able to help me I wrote an email to Thomann.I heard nothing back for several days and thought, “oh well tough luck”. Imagine my surprise when, four working days later, I received a single replacement A-string in the post and that during the Christmas rush. Many thanks to those nice people at customer service at thomann. Merry Christmas XXX.

I recently saw something advertised elsewhere as "upgraded" with a Fender logo.

Fixed...

Well you probably don't want me to say this...but...just turn the treble down on your Yamaha. Unless you want an excuse for a new bass? In which case I'd say you definitely need a precision.

Bought some pickups from Tomas. Great guy to deal with, fast delivery, excellent comms. Deal with total confidence!

Just got a Bridge Jazz Bass pickup from Tomas. Well packed and photographed too, a good idea. Great comms. and deal with him with confidence.

Great guy to deal with. Many Thanks Si

Bought a Yamaha BB424x from Tomas this week. Really good guy to deal with! Good communication, packed the bass extremely well, and the guitar itself is awesome - a real Tone machine and exactly as Tomas described it. I am delighted with it! Great guy to deal with - a real gentleman. Deal with him with confidence, guys!

I've just bought Tomas's Red P bass and what a pleasure to deal with him. Bass was superbly packed and his emails were prompt and he kept me up to date every step of the way. The bass arrived this morning and is everything he said it was. First class deal and hope to trade again. Thanks Tomas.